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Subj: Re: Unsafe "tech" agencies Date: 03/04/98 To: jbbennett2@ju*.co* jean, i don't know you or anything about you or your abilities or accomplishments as a diver. i do know Bob Raimo & have dove with him gone to his shops taken courses with him & had my gear serviced by him for a few years. i have always found him to be informative. willing to learn & take chances into new areas of education. i find it quite irresponsible of you to make an attack on someone of his experience without any foundation. i have been involved in diving since the early 60's & there are only a few instructors that i have met that actually have tha experience of doing what they teach under the conditions that real people dive in & Bob is one of them. i find it interesting that you criticize him for his physical conditioning while others like dan v. criticizes people for being the opposite. i'm getting very confused do i loose weight or gain weight to be acceptable. while bob may be all of the things i mentioned about him he is also an entrepeneur & has to make a living to support himself , his family & a few boneheads that work for him. whether he is certified by one or many organizations is immaterial it is the ability & the knowledge & the quality of the instructor that ultimatly counts. on those standards i would put him on a par with any instructor. BTW if this makes me one of his "pals" then thanks. i would rather be in his company then efitist clown like yourself who has no real clue about how tech diving started & what got it to the stages it is in today. hank In a message dated 98-03-04 06:34:11 EST, you write: << Subj: Re: Unsafe "tech" agencies Date: 98-03-04 06:34:11 EST From: jbbennett2@ju*.co* (Jean Bennett) To: Raimo4252@ao*.co*, cavers@ww*.ge*.co* CC: jbbennett2@ju*.co*, techdiver@aq*.co*, cavers@ww*.ge*.co* Raimo, when you do your first dive that is not a joke, an effort to prove something, or a teaching dive, and anyone who dives for real will dive with you, you can discuss "protection" . If you are suggesting that gas is "protection", and that real divers dive air, then you are revealing the truth about yourself. On the subject of agencies, we are talking about members of the BOD of TDI, like Palmer, who died deep air diving, as did many of the other instructors ( is this what you mean by "protection"?), instructors who were franchise holders for TDI, like Sirven, or clowns like the one who died in the Gulf just recently, whom IANTD refused to make an instructor, and who should not have been in the water. The problem is muscle heads like you , who appear to be nothing but steroid eating monkeys who are clueless about diving, clueless about gear, clueless about teaching, and who have made themselves a living pandering to testosterone devoids and wannabees, like you and you pals, are what present the first glimpse of so-called "tech"diving to the public - a gross misrepresentaion, and one that will hopefully soon be sued out of existence faster than it is being laughed out, or faster than natural selection can kill you dive shop primates off. Enjoy it while it lasts, , the insurance for TDI will not be renewed, and thanks to the recent tripple play by another tough guy, neither will IANTD's. You idiots are so stupid that you killed your own golden goose by taking the low road, and by the kind of thinking that you display in this ridiculous post below, you are clearly a first class moron. On Tue, 3 Mar 1998 08:19:54 EST Raimo4252 <Raimo4252@ao*.co*> writes: >In a message dated 98-03-03 07:36:11 EST, jbbennett2@ju*.co* writes: > ><< Bob suggests a method for determining good tech instructors. Let me > suggest that avoiding an agency from which NINE instructors have died > "techdiving" in the last 12 months would be a good start. >> > >Any statistics on the nine instructors as to how many of them were >also >certified by more than one tech agency?? Was it the agency(s) that >killed >them, or was it the instructors poor lack of judgement? > >>>Let me also > suggest that a "tech" agency whose president spends full time >attacking > the best "techdivers" in the business while himself setting the worst > possible example in diving is the last place one would go for tech > training. >> > >Many rock climbers die each year because they climb without >protection. They >were taught to use protection, but the appeal of risk and danger draws >them to >climbing in a more dangerous fashion. Many rock climbing instructors, >perhaps >some of the best in the world, climb this way, yet teach using >protection. If >I wanted to learn how to rock climb, I'd take my course from the rock >climbing >instructor who can climb without protection, as long as the protection >was >used in my course. Why is this so different in Scuba?? > > > >>> How can people > teach something they have never done, and have no clue how to do? >They > can't. > >> > >I agree with you here. > >Safe diving, Raimo > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aq*.co*'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aq*.co*'. ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: <owner-techdiver@aq*.co*> Received: from relay16.mail.aol.com (relay16.mail.aol.com [172.31.106.72]) by air29.mail.aol.com (v40.2) with SMTP; Wed, 04 Mar 1998 06:34:11 -0500 Received: from bighorn.terra.net (bighorn.terra.net [199.103.128.2]) by relay16.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) with ESMTP id GAA10803; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 06:34:02 -0500 (EST) Received: (mail@lo*) by bighorn.terra.net (8.8.6/jr3.9) for id GAA06878; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 06:26:03 -0500 Precedence: bulk Errors-To: owner-techdiver@aq*.co* Received: from bighorn.terra.net (root@lo*) by bighorn.terra.net (8.8.6/jr3.9) with EXEC for techdiver id UAA11386; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 20:48:11 -0500 Received: from x13.boston.juno.com (x13.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.27]) by bighorn.terra.net (8.8.6/jr3.8) with ESMTP for <techdiver@aq*.co*> id UAA11378; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 20:48:11 -0500 Received: (from jbbennett2@ju*.co*) by x13.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id UvG16129; Tue, 03 Mar 1998 20:38:48 EST To: Raimo4252@ao*.co*, cavers@ww*.ge*.co* Cc: jbbennett2@ju*.co*, techdiver@aq*.co*, cavers@ww*.ge*.co* Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 20:46:23 -0500 Subject: Re: Unsafe "tech" agencies Message-ID: <19980303.204624.3302.0.jbbennett2@ju*.co*> References: <ae782815.34fc037d@ao*.co*> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,5-6,12-13,21-22,27-74 From: jbbennett2@ju*.co* (Jean Bennett) >>
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