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They are usually into the hulls pretty good. Sometimes you'll get lucky and find one that is loose or part of the hull plate is rotted away. More often, though, you have to get a long crow bar, hammer the short end underneath and give it all you've got - then a little more. Do that 4 or 5 times and you can get them to pop. Some are real stubborn and nothing short of a broco-torch will help. Sometimes I found if you take a punch you can drive out the rusted bolts and that makes it easier. In the Navy ships they used brass screws/bolts and it's easier to just unscrew them then to cut them. Most of the time we grab the swing plate fist, then the dogs. That makes it look like every other backing plate and then you can take your time with it - often years if need be. My friend John came up with a good way, take a pair of vice-grips down, knock the pin out enough to get the vice-grips on it, then twist them while you tap on them with the hammer, encouraging the pin to shear it's cotter pins and slide out. That stops you from mushrooming the pin so you can put it back together again. Save all the hardware; screws, pin, etc.. then you'll have original hardware to display it. It's amazing how many guys just throw that stuff away. Good hunting, Mark anscott@hi*.ne*.au* wrote: > > Speaking of portholes and steel I found two on a wrecjk in 60msw and spent > 15mins with a lump hammer and cold chisel and didnt make a dint in it. The > wreck is 100yrs old but the steel is like new, like a tank. Iron hull wrecks > are a piece of cake but steel is impossible. Any suggestions besides c4 ( > that stuffs illegal out here annd impossible to get.) > Come to think of it pilfering wrecks over 75yrs old is illegal out here too > but in 200ft who will know or care. > > At 03:22 26/02/97 -0500, you wrote: > >I have to ask, is it being suggested that up-lines or jersey > >reels or whatever are useless? Then what am I supposed to do > >when I decide to go play on a wreck, then shoot a bag and swim > >back to the boat after my deco? Drift? What if I don't want to > >look for the anchor line? What if I get busy, it takes a while > >to pop a porthole out of a steel hull. And then I'll be too > >tired to swim with a porthole back to the line. Can't I just > >send up a bag from where I am? Next someone will suggest you > >don't need 12 knives on the Virginia (NY wreck, more mono than > >you ever saw; they make it here). > > > >Go for it, > >Mark Welzel > > > >And don't tell me what they do in caves, I really don't care > >and I have more portholes than most cavers. > >------------------------ > >RDecker388@ao*.co* wrote: > >> > >> Mike, > >> > >> Just put something up along the lines of the uselessness of Jersey > >> upreels or the need of a SpareAir for penetration......the list will liven up > >> then. > >> > >> "Cyber diving: the only safe place to violate rule #1" <g> > >> > >> +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > >> Please send messages for the WreckDiver list to: wreckdiver@wreckdiver.com > >> Send subscription and help requests to: wreckdiver-request@wreckdiver.com > >> +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > > > >+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > >Please send messages for the WreckDiver list to: wreckdiver@wreckdiver.com > >Send subscription and help requests to: wreckdiver-request@wreckdiver.com > >+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Please send messages for the WreckDiver list to: wreckdiver@wreckdiver.com Send subscription and help requests to: wreckdiver-request@wreckdiver.com +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
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