Group, I don't consider the Andrea Doria to be of archaeological value nor is the Luisitania or any of the large German warships sunk during World War II. I think they could be mapped and photographed and their cargos (or what is left of them examined) but that's the limit. However as I explain below, I am against removing artifacts from ships where people have died. On the otherhand the wrecks at Truk Lagoon are a national treasure simply because this is a popular international dive site. I wouldn't want anybody walking off with the attractions. The other point is, people died on these wrecks and although their remains have been in the process of removal, nevertheless we should respect the grave sites. I really don't think it is appropriate for divers to go artifact hunting on historic wrecks where people have died. It's like stealing the flowers off their graves. Paul At 10:10 AM 1/27/97 -0500, you wrote: >Hank ----- In a message dated 97-01-27 00:56:55 EST, you write: > ><<<< he dishes & artifacts recovered from the Andrea Doria are things that no > diver (other than maybe 500) would ever get an opportunity to see if they > could get to where they were. these artifacts have now been seen in tv >shows, > magazines, videos, TV & books by millions of people. None of this was done >by > Arkies it was done by us the looters the despoilers of the wrecks. >> > >Hank, I couldnt agree with you more. As you know SUB AQUA has published over >500 articles on wrecks in the past 6 years. We always show the pictures of >the artifacts. We estimate that there have been over 10,000,000 viewings of >artifacts but just our magazine alone over the years. > >For the number crunchers (avg issue 22,000 readers X 500 articles) > >On top of that you know those great Andrea Doria Dishes I got right before >that section of the wreck closed up? Well I estimate that over the past 5 >years no less than 150 non-Andrea Doria divers have eaten off of them in our >home. Everything from Ed Uditis eating pizza off them with Evie and Billy to >the woman we had just certified recently who will NEVER ever get to dive the >Doria. > >Archaeology has its place but when something has been fully documented as in >modern day ocean liners, and war ships (of which we have mil specs on and >photographs) whats the big deal? > >As Mel Fisher told us --- An Emerald wouldn't be worth so much if pretty >girls didn't like em so much." "But if we leave em on the bottom or locked >away in a vault they are worthless." > > > >+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ >Please send messages for the WreckDiver list to: wreckdiver@wreckdiver.com >Send subscription and help requests to: wreckdiver-request@wreckdiver.com >+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > ("`-''-/").___..--''"`-._ Paul E. Pettennude, Ph.D. `6_ 6 ) `-. ( ).`-.__.`) Maya Underwater Research Center (_Y_.)' ._ ) `._ `.``-..-' pettennude@us*.ne* _..`--'_..-_/ /--'_.' ,' Telephone (305) 554-1557 (il),-'' (li),' ((!.-' Fax Phone (305) 554-1616 <bold> </bold> +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Please send messages for the WreckDiver list to: wreckdiver@wreckdiver.com Send subscription and help requests to: wreckdiver-request@wreckdiver.com +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
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