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On Fri, 20 Oct 1995 gmiiii@in*.co* wrote: > > > On Fri, 20 Oct 1995, "Ken Sallot" <KEN@co*.ci*.uf*.ed*> wrote: > >Rod writes: > > > >> Ken, say explicitly that Dive Rite had no bearing on your actions and > >> that by misinterpreting your statements, several divers reached the wrong > >> conclusions and unfairly castegated Dive Rite for something that they did > >> not do. Your recent explanation sounds whiny and defensive. Admit you made a > >> mistake and stop this nonsense immediately. Look at what Deutschman did > >> as a result of your post. Credibility of the list would be well served by > >> a quick unequivocal public apology from you to Dive Rite about THIS > >> particular issue that YOU created. Best regards, Rod > > > >Simply put, fuck off. > > Rod, if you want to get another one going that will make the last > one look tame, keep it up. I will be glad to provide a detailed account > of al of the bullshit Dive Rite, Mark Lenard, and Lamar Hires have pulled > on me and WKPP, as well as a well thought out and meticulous critique of > every piece of gear they make, if you think that would help you to stay > out of things you do not understand. George, we don't want to stay out of things we don't understand. We want to know. > The fact is that you have no idea what goes on in the cave diving > community, and if you want to be brought up to speed, I would LOVE to > be the one to do it. These guys (Dive Rite) continue to take a swing at > the hornets nest with a flyswatter, and I am about to come unglued on > them. > The other fact is that these guys have threatened me, and my > employer, and they have written "training" memo's trying to discrdit > us, they have tried to discredit us to our sponsors, they continually > badmouth us, especially me, accusing me of "cheating on air", and other > dangerous prcactices, they used to badmouth Lamar English (one of > my former dive partners who made the only decent cave light around, > now Arnold took his business over) becasue Lamar was their chief > competitor. Well, this is not good. If they did something similar regarding the cavers list, I think a lot of netters would like to know. > I can go on and on and really get nasty if you like. The bottom > line is this: there will be no appology because there is private email and > information behind this that you did not see. I think a lot of us want the answer to one simple question: Did Dive Rite, or any of their employees while acting as company reps, take actions such as complaining to the list owner or his management or threatening legal action, etc., which Ken felt as pressure and which contribited to his temporary closing of the list? We have one denial indirectly from Dive Rite, but only regarding the actions of one principal. How about the rest of the crew? They have the same right to publically bitch about their products being unfairly attacked as you have to complain about dangerous practices by the agencies. They have the right to defend themselves. Sometimes, as has been pointed out, this leads to a 'more heat than light' situation. But at least you get some light. I'll admit that I don't know what goes on in the cave diving community, nor have I read the list, nor have I read the private e-mail, and I haven't even tapped the telephone calls from dive rite to the University of Florida. But the conversation leaked over here, and us lowly, uninformed, stupid, incapable, untrained techdiver readers would like to know. > You will only make matters worse by pursuing this line. You > are forgetting that I have absolutely no line I won't step all the > way over and back agian. Want to give me a test? - George No, not back. In any case, ho would a simple answer to a simple question make matters worse? Nick Simicich - njs@sc*.em*.ne* - (last choice) njs@bc*.vn*.ib*.co* http://scifi.emi.net/njs.html -- Stop by and Light Up The World!
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