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From: <TecMaster@ao*.co*>
Date: Wed, 4 Oct 1995 19:12:40 -0400
To: 73124.1676@co*.co*
cc: techdiver@terra.net
Subject: Safety
In a message dated 95-10-03 23:23:53 EDT, 73124.1676@co*.co* (C. Randy
Bohrer) writes:

>Mr. Raimo:
>
>You say that with regard to being interested in diver safety, I showed you
>otherwise. Remember, our disagreement was over (1) whether a dive shop
should
>be
>set up as a EANx and/or tech facility and (2) whether a particular
individual
>should be trained as a nitrox instructor.
>
>Regarding (1) the store in question was already supplied with all the tools
>by
>the time you warned me. I was not about to cut them off cold at that point,
>which would have increased the chances that they would put together and
>operate
>a dangerous system.

Lets get real. Not only did you continue to set up a dangerous facility, but
you even admitted you had a language problem with the owner(s), they were
difficult to teach, and you gave them a TAKE HOME test AFTER we spoke.
Granted, there were no tests available at the time, so you made one up.
Christ, I could pass the Bar exam if I took it home. You had a responsibility
to the agency, other instructors, and the community. They should have been
cut off cold. Just like I did when I found out the "want to be instructor"
with that facility could give a shit about diver safety.

>
>Regarding (2), you talked to me in a professional, civil manner over a
period
>of
>time and although I did not agree to overtly turn the student away, you won.
>That individual was not trained. I had no hard feelings; I thought that you
>felt
>the same way.

It took me to long, to much consultation with attorneys, over what should
have been a simple resolution. But no, you chose to IGNORE my input, until I
told you about my legal standpoint and that I would hold you responsilble.
Again, what took two months should have taken two minutes.

>
>Regarding the law suit threat, I apologize. After looking at your post, you
>really didn't say anything bad (other than calling me an "asshole", which of
>course I find offensive). There was a slight implication that the student
was
>trained, but no big deal. Your money and mine is best used by our families,
>not
>our attorneys.

Apology accepted.


>Regarding my experience, I don't claim to have a lot of it, just enough that
>I
>can have safe fun doing the dives I do, and enough to train students to the
>levels that the certifying agencies allow. I only mentioned my experience
>because I was told that I didn't  "do this stuff". I didn't even mention
that
>I
>was an instructor.

I'm in the same boat as you, as is a lot of us.

>I wasn't trying to give advice to Mr Irvine, in fact I agreed with his
>comments
>about not pushing PO2s. The response was hostile.

George needs to be pushed to get hostile, so I am sure there is more to the
story. He also has some great points-some people that don't care to listen to
George, should'nt. And as offensive as he may be, I have yet to see one
person out here prove his points wrong. And if you agree with him  about
lowering PO2's, have you as a board member of IANTD made a reccomendation
accordingly?



Raimo.

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