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> Personally (I just completed the PADI instructor stuff) I don't think that 
> either the instructor training or the diver training is sufficient.  I
> believe that it is a reflection of how safe diving really is that we don't 
> have recreational divers dropping like flies.
   I think it is a result of God hating Darwin. He deliberately protects
those who are trying to kill themselves in order to screw up the theory
of survival of the fittest.

> In my opinion, the OW courses offered by the training agencies do not qualify
> a diver to dive without professional supervision, DM, AI, or instructor along.
   Agree.
> After completion of say 25 dives at that level, and completion of additional
> training (call it AOW) under various conditions comprising of, say, 15 
> training dives under various conditions then the diver is probably qualified
> to venture out w/o the supervision of a DM or instructor.
    This is similar to the cave diving class I took, and I thought it
was excellent!

> I've never liked the time requirements, it should be experience.  I know
> divers who've been certified for 10 years, and probably have 20 dives.  I
> know others who have been certified about 1 year, and have logged 100+
> dives.  I know who the better diver is!
     I believe in Both time and dive requirements. Obviously you need the 
dives, but it also takes time for the experience to happen and to sink in.
 
> But your point is well taken, and I don't believe any of the agencies that 
> I've seen so far are really doing a good job of training their students to
> a level that I'd consider satisfactory.  Some instructors do, and their
> agency doesn't seem to matter much.  But you won't find any particular 
> concentration of good instructors in any particular agency, the distribution
> seems to be random.
> /* William E. Sadler  | email:  sadler_b@bs*.bs*.bl*.co*                */
    Yes, it seems that the instructor is more important than the agency.
Paul Smith

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