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Date: Sat, 09 Sep 1995 16:38:49 EDT
From: UXMA73A@pr*.co* ( GEORGE M IRVINE III)
To: njs@sc*.ma*.co*, techdiver@terra.net
Subject: Re: Good ol Nick

    Nick, it's not the "stupid" things that get me,
it's either the dangerous, which most are not guilty of,
or the attacks, which seem to follow every thing I
say that soes not reflect the teachings of these
agencies.

      IANTD and Mount are the absolute worst offenders
in the misinformation arena. I will give you and an example.
Six yers ago, I was at a NACD training committee meeting
with at which Mount, who was then the NACD "training
director" was irately opposed to the publication of Bill
Gavin's thirty-page chapter on gear rigging. In this now
suppressed chapter are detailed explanations of and reasons
for EVERYTHING we do. Parker Turner tried to reason with 
Mount, saying, "Tom, please come up to Tallahasse and dive
with us (WKPP), and let us show you what is going on in 
cave diving now", to which Mount agrily relied that he had done
some thousands of cave dives over some thirty years and that
he could "out breath " Bill Gavin by Tai Chi breathing, and that
Jim Lockwood was the best cave diver in the world and that he and
Lockwood had done all kinds of wonderful things, and that he
did not agree with our methods at all.  
     What happens is that people get taught things differently than
we do it. We are highly visable. They ask their instructors why we
do it differently, they say because we are dangerous idiots, and 
this
is what gets aimed at me when I say something. I also have a blunt
manner, and this gets seems to embolden them to express what 
they were thinking all along. 
   It' s  OK to flame me, I think it is actually pretty funny. What 
we 
really need is Sankey to get cranked up . He can deaql with the 
crybabies that keep threatening to get off the list because of me.
I see them say this, but they fail to invoke the "U" word. I have a 
contest going, and those who fail to actually bail out are hurting 
my
results. The last time we did this, we got much better "turnoff" with 

much less flaming. You guys are going to let Sankey beat me , again. -
 George


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