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Date: Thu, 31 Aug 1995 18:47:25 -0400
To: "S. F." <s_f@be*.tl*.ne*>
From: dlv@ga*.ne* (Dan Volker)
Subject: Re: Flames
Cc: techdiver@terra.net
Who ever  SF  is, this person who prefers to hide his name behind some 
initials,  I don't have any reason to believe you have any clue about 
technical diving yourself.
 If George is hard on people who have stupid ideas, you can go and comfort 
them if you desire. But I think Georges issue (I'm sure he'll correct me if 
I'm wrong) is that divers with no abilities and no  knowledge can talk on a 
list like this, and convince each other they know what they are doing. The 
next step is where they kill themselves or someone else who has to try and 
save them, because WE allowed them to believe they knew what they were doing.
Many of these people could be considered the "big fish in the little pond" 
where they dive....maybe the guy who has been down to 165 feet ten times, 
with a nice fancy computer to save his butt from his lack of real 
knowledge....in his local area, he may be the "Hot Shit" diver/instructor 
that all the new open water divers hold in awe. And he is a bomb, waiting to 
explode with dangerous misinformation. 
One of the functions George performs on this list is to "DEFUSE" these 
bombs. Someone has to say---"That idea is so STUPID you could kill someone 
with it". The biggest problem is, there have been so many explosively bad 
ideas voiced over the last year, that George has lost some of his 
"compassion" for stupid divers/ideas, and ultimately, someone like yourself 
gets his nose out of joint.
Forget that you'd be hard pressed to survive the exposure George might do 
for his "second" dive of the day. Forget that he has done more dives over 
300 feet, farther into cave systems than all the people you know put 
together. Forget that he is a friend of Dr. Bill Hamilton, and has special 
tables developed for his own applications, because he is better than the 
diving "masses". And after you have forgotten all that, maybe you should 
forget to complain next time someone gets flamed for bragging about an idea 
that could kill people.
And while you are at it, forget about sounding intelligent because you made 
no typos or gramatical mistakes....this is not rec.english.lit 
This is a forum for content.
    
Dan

>I originally posted a comment, intended to be humorous, in response to 
>george's insulting response to a discussion on light bulbs. The post 
>was implying that he must be a bit uptight (major understatement) to 
>get so worked up over such a subject. He then sent me an insulting 
>post and then attacked the same discussion, hitting a new low, with 
>profanity and insults. I have seen a lot of this from him and have 
>gotten tired of his offensive nonsense, so I made the point that he is an 
>uptight, offensive, arrogant loudmouth. So far, everyone of his 
>responses has only served to confirm this.
>I should have expected this, since it's common knowledge that such 
>arrogance is a manifestation of extreme insecurity. This is 
>understandable, considering that the other tech divers that he claims to 
>associate with, get a lot of media attention in the dive mag's, and no 
>one pays attention to him.
>George, I can't say why those other divers *do* talk with you, perhaps 
>they find you amusing. But I will do you a favor. If I ever hear of a 
>dive magazine that is doing a write up on 'diver ego', I will submit 
>your name. You would make a good case study.
>Since this bout started, we have learned that he was so confused, that 
>he was insulting the wrong  person, on the wrong subject.  (isn't that 
>how he would define a 'stroke'?) It would seem that his only goal is to 
>be offensive, rather than trying to contribute something intelligent to 
>the list.
>Someone made the point a while back, during his last public flame 
>fest, that the 'neighborhood' has gone down hill since he signed on. I 
>agree.
>I think it is ironic that he would be so insulting and critical towards 
>others, considering that due to his grammatical errors, typographical 
>errors, and offensive attitude, his Signal to Noise Ratio isn't very 
>good. I have been on this list for almost a year, and have read a lot of 
>interesting and educational material, none of which was from george.
>
>We have had discussions on this list before regarding what is 
>acceptable content, like the one on advertising. I would like to see 
>others opinions on the subject of  offensive, insulting post. It seems to 
>me that they only degrade the list, by inhibiting others from 
>contributing, because of concern for being insulted for asking 'dumb'
>questions, or giving input that george does not agree with. 
>Anyone else, (who isn't intimidated by george's flames) want to 
>comment on this?
>
>As for me, I apologize if this thread had annoyed anyone, and  I will 
>strive, in the future,  to keep the flames off-line.
>
>goerge, your insulting post only serve to validate my point, Your 
>insults are the invalid, unintelligent babblings of a weak mind. You 
>have demonstrated yourself to be nothing more then an aquatic 
>troglodyte. To put things in terms you *can* understand, I will
>succumb for only a moment, to paraphrase from one of your flames on 
>chris. 'Stay home, with your log book in one hand, and your 'you-
>know-what' in the other, and enjoy yourself'
>If you want you discuss this off line, I am more then willing. In fact, to 
>help you from getting so confused in the future, I will type slow. If you 
>have difficulty with the big words (more then four letters), get 
>someone to help you with a dictionary.
>
>Now please, go crawl back in the hole from which you came.
>
>Scott 
>s_f@be*.tl*.ne*
>
>
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Dan Volker
SOUTH FLORIDA DIVE JOURNAL
http://www.florida.net/scuba/dive
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