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Date: Wed, 30 Aug 1995 11:02:40 -0400
To: "Mullins, Robert" <mullinsr@hq*.hh*.or*>
From: dlv@ga*.ne* (Dan Volker)
Subject: RE: Deaths in Mexico
Cc: techdiver@terra.net
>

I have to agree. 
To call this murder as absurd. No one pointed a gun at these people and 
forced them into the cave. No one convinced them that this was really an 
open water dive, and led them blindfolded into an ambush with death.
 This sounds like a clear case of people without proper certification, 
stupidly entering a cave system with no precautions, no knowledge of line 
use, insufficient air, and a host of other mistakes. I'm sorry for their 
families, but blaming this on the dive guide is almost as stupid as these 
people being in there in the first place. 
I'll go so far as to say the dive guide had no business taking them in to 
the cave system as he did---but this makes him a fool, not a murderer.
Dan
>
> ----------
>From: Barry Miller
>To: cavers
>Cc: techdiver
>Subject: Deaths in Mexico
>Date: Wednesday, August 28, 1901 6:34PM
>
>Return-Path: <daemon@te*.ne*>
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>Errors-To: owner-techdiver@terra.net
>From: Barry Miller <millerb@fr*.sc*.fs*.ed*>
>Message-Id: <199508282235.SAA24130@fr*.sc*.fs*.ed*>
>Subject: Deaths in Mexico
>To: cavers@co*.ci*.uf*.ed*
>Date: Mon, 28 Aug 95 18:34:33 18000
>Cc: techdiver@terra.net
>X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3.1 PL11]
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------  
> --
>I just recieved a Letter from Steve Gerrard south of the border. The
>letter raeds as follows:
>
>                 A Senseless Tragedy
>
>.....snip, snip
>
>   A week ago on Thursday, Aug. 17th....... Three Open Water Divers
>Drowned at the Cenote Temple of Doom.  If there was ever a criminal act
>performed in diving, this was it..........<some stuff 
>deleted>...............To enter this
>tunnel you pass TWO WARNING SIGNS. The NACD STOP SIGN and the
>PADI GRIM REAPER SIGN which clearly states "PRE surface. Luis
>continued leading the group without knowing this......................more 
>stuff deleted
>
>I think what you meant to say was that the group continued to follow in 
>spite of the
>signs.
>
>.................................THREE DEAD PEOPLE. I'm sure there is more
>to this and I will continue to gather FACTS. This was First Degree
>Manslaughter......................
>
>some might call it suicide........................
>
> German Mendoza tried very hard to have Luis thrown in
>jail. This tragedy caused a BIG uproar up & down the coast in Cozumel.
>Last night we had a hugh meeting in Playa Del Carmen at the
>Continental Hotel with representatives from all the divestores. An
>Association is being formed with the Policies and Safty of diving the
>Cenotes.
>
>  The letter goes on to say a few other things, but I though I'd give
>you the details.
>
>                                          BARRY
>
>Is it Rich Pyle whose sig says something to the effect that only you are 
>responsible for
>what happens to you when you go underwater........if you cannot accept that 
>responsibility
>do not go.......I absolutely agree.
>
>I'm sad for these people and their families, but at some point you have to 
>take
>responsibility for your own actions....He should not have led, they should 
>not have
>followed.....
>
>
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>
Dan Volker
SOUTH FLORIDA DIVE JOURNAL
http://www.florida.net/scuba/dive
407-683-3592

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