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From: "David Hoy" <david@th*.co*>
To: <scubapig@co*.ne*>, <>
Subject: Re: RE: [dir-asia] Digest Number 102
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 09:47:19 -0400
Hi Bruce,

I wanted to thank you for your reasoned approach to this whole mess.  I have
been looking on from the outside as someone interested in what DIR has to
offer, and not sure what all the fuss was about.  Then along comes Mr.
Irvine bashing you for asking, in my opinion, reasonable questions and I
begin to understand why there is a vicious debate about DIR.  Not to detract
from Mr. Irvine's many impressive accomplishments, but I hope that his
attitude is not indicative of the majority of DIR proponents.

Mr. Irvine, if you are reading this please do not mistake it as attacking
you - I have a great deal of respect for what you have done and what you
stand for (your safety record at WKPP speaks for itself).  My point is
similar to what others have said - it is hard to learn from someone who
berates you for not doing things the way they do.  While DIR may be one of
the safest ways to dive, the only way to create more DIR divers is to show
them what it involves and let them come to a personal realization that it
will work for them.  I look forward to meeting you at some time in the
future and sharing philosophies over a post-dive beer :-).

I am, as Bruce is, still interested in the DIR Fundamentals course as
something I can learn from and become a better, safer diver - a goal I hope
that we all share.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <scubapig@co*.ne*>
To: <>
Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 00:31
Subject: Re: RE: [dir-asia] Digest Number 102

I think we've beat this into the ground, but I'd like to say a few last
words before I shut my yap.

First, thanks to all the GUE instructors and DIR practitioners that read and
took the time to understand what I wrote and responded accordingly.  To some
of the others that don't quite understand the point I tried to make, please
let me explain...

I came out and attacked DIR by comparing to another organization that many
people consider a cult.  It may not be accurate, but it sure got your
attention.  You did what I expected - you fought back.  You called me a
"loud mouth" and told me I had a chip on my shoulder for talking smack about
something you felt strongly about.  You ignored the fact that I praised JJ
and even read three of his books (if I was a non-believer, why would I keep
buying his stuff and supporting GUE????).  It didn't matter what the rest of
message said, you were pissed.  This is a classic example of human
behavior - when threatened, you defend yourself!

Now, let's turn things around a little.  How do you think tech divers from
other training organizations feel when you attack their background,
training, and mentors?  They resist and shut their brains off just like you
did.  They start calling DIR divers loud mouths with chips on their
shoulder.  Does any of this sound familiar?  These people (just as you have)
have invested an incredible amount of time and money in equipment and
training.  The last thing they want to hear is that they're an idiot or a

Think about that the next time you meet a diver that is not familiar with
DIR.  Instead of calling them a stroke or an idiot, try sharing (not
telling) why you feel DIR is an effective system for diving.  Not a better
way, a different way.  If the system truly is better, they'll see it and
convince themselves that it's the only way to dive.  I look forward to
eventually taking the fundamentals course.

Dive safe

Bruce Wyrwitzke

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