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This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C3496D.1323C4C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit John, these guys teach rebreather diving as a "self sufficient" way of diving, which is an oxymoron in itself. No buddy, no second chance, with or without a rebreather. All of the rebreather deaths have been solo or effectively solo ( Rule Number One violations). Almost all of the cave diving deaths have been solo or effectively solo and on air, and virtually all diving accidents are solo either by intention or effectively becoming solo dives due to the air diving or the R#1 violation. That is the part that nobody gets, although I am sure everyone noticed that the dead guy's wife hit this and all the other key points right over the head, and she is not even a diver, which tells you exactly how stupid the attitude of the IANTD instructor is. And, don't waste your breath on these guys - they serve better as powers of bad example as you will never fix them. -----Original Message----- From: JWSAVN@ao*.co* [mailto:JWSAVN@ao*.co*] Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2003 3:34 PM To: scubapig@co*.ne*; techdiver@aquanaut.com Subject: Re: [dir-asia] Digest Number 102 Bruce You do have a point. I have gotten after some of these people for their rigid parochialism but the basic message is correct. I have been at this sport since the 60s, the equipment has gotten much better but the divers and training has not. Generally speaking, the average diver is over equipped, under trained and under experienced. We have people here in South Florida, diving who can't even swim and they want to take a " tech " course after 10 dives ! DIR/GUE is attempting to correct this in their own way. Don't throw the baby out with the bath water. Glean what you can use from these threads and bypass the rest. This latest issue with rebreathers has been going on for a while. As one of the most accomplished rebreather divers around, George Irvine is right when he cautions to stay the hell away from them unless you have a specific need. They are dangerous and will kill you quickly, particularly the electronic ones. People who deny this and claim they are business as usual are idiots in my mind and deserve the abuse. I learned long ago in flying and diving, you cannot protect people from themselves. No matter how loud you scream, they are going to do what they are going to do! Regards, John Schachleiter ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C3496D.1323C4C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; = charset=3Dus-ascii"> <META content=3D"MSHTML 5.50.4728.2300" name=3DGENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY> <DIV><SPAN class=3D291422422-13072003><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff = size=3D2>John,=20 these guys teach rebreather diving as a "self sufficient" way of diving, = which=20 is an oxymoron in itself. No buddy, no second chance, with or without a=20 rebreather. All of the rebreather deaths have been solo or effectively = solo (=20 Rule Number One violations). Almost all of the cave diving deaths have = been solo=20 or effectively solo and on air, and virtually all diving accidents are = solo=20 either by intention or effectively becoming solo dives due to the air = diving or=20 the R#1 violation.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D291422422-13072003><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff = size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D291422422-13072003><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff = size=3D2>That=20 is the part that nobody gets, although I am sure everyone noticed that = the dead=20 guy's wife hit this and all the other key points right over the head, = and she is=20 not even a diver, which tells you exactly how stupid the attitude of the = IANTD=20 instructor is.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D291422422-13072003><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff = size=3D2><BR>And, don't waste your breath on these guys - they serve = better as=20 powers of bad example as you will never fix them.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT = face=3DTahoma=20 size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> JWSAVN@ao*.co*=20 [mailto:JWSAVN@ao*.co*]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, July 13, 2003 3:34=20 PM<BR><B>To:</B> scubapig@co*.ne*; = techdiver@aquanaut.com<BR><B>Subject:</B>=20 Re: [dir-asia] Digest Number 102<BR><BR></FONT></DIV><FONT=20 face=3Darial,helvetica><FONT lang=3D0 face=3DArial size=3D2=20 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF">Bruce<BR>You do have a point. I have gotten after = some of=20 these people for their rigid parochialism but the basic message is = correct. I=20 have been at this sport since the 60s, the equipment has gotten much = better=20 but the divers and training has not. Generally speaking, the average = diver is=20 over equipped, under trained and under experienced. We have people = here in=20 South Florida, diving who can't even swim and they want to take a " = tech "=20 course after 10 dives ! DIR/GUE is attempting to correct this in = their=20 own way. Don't throw the baby out with the bath water. Glean what you = can use=20 from these threads and bypass the rest. This latest issue with = rebreathers has=20 been going on for a while. As one of the most accomplished rebreather = divers=20 around, George Irvine is right when he cautions to stay the hell away = from=20 them unless you have a specific need. They are dangerous and will kill = you=20 quickly, particularly the electronic ones. People who deny this and = claim they=20 are business as usual are idiots in my mind and deserve the abuse. I = learned=20 long ago in flying and diving, you cannot protect people from = themselves. No=20 matter how loud you scream, they are going to do what they are going = to=20 do!<BR>Regards,<BR>John Schachleiter</FONT> = </FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML> ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C3496D.1323C4C0-- -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
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