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Do all 4000 people use their 'breather regularily? The answer is 'NO'. I even know an inspiration instructor that has given up diving the unit. Serveral of his students have followed his lead. But, I feel that even .5% is high. I don't know the stats on the Halcyon rebreather, but I do know that they are more judicious about who they sell to than AP valves was. I'd also imagine that training standards are much different (like GUE vs your average TDI course). I'm not sure what your stats background is like, but I'd caution that Halcyon likely hasn't sold enough of their units to provide a good sample population. This means that any safety statistics derived from their numbers could be unrepresentitively high or low. Personally, I don't think that OC is safe at 500'. That doesn't mean that diving a crappy 'breather at 500' is a good idea either. If you want a better discussion about this stuff, there are lots of people who know much more about the problems with the inspiration than I do. The fact is that so far I can do all my dives on OC (as could many inspiration divers), and since I feel it's safer, that's the way I choose to do it. I don't feel that electronics and water mix - hence no CCR. You have to admit though, there have been a lot of people who have gone hypoxic while shallow on those units. Too scary for me. ss On Wed, 12 Mar 2003 christi5@ix*.ne*.co* wrote: > I believe sales numbers are over 4000, so that would be less than 0.5%? By contrast, what is the death rate on the Halcyon rebreather? > > Is OC safer than CCRs at 500 fsw? Also, let's consider just technical diving, not overall scuba. What is the death rate for OC tech diving? > > Cheers > > -------Original Message------- > From: Steve Schultz <se2schul@st*.ma*.uw*.ca*> > Sent: 03/12/03 02:54 PM > To: christi5@ix*.ne*.co* > Subject: Re: Re: Inspirational > > > > > From what I understand, AP valves doesn't have the exact number of > inspiration users, but estimates it to be between 2000-6000. There have been about > 20 deaths. That means that 20/2000*100 = 1%. > > So up to 1% of inspiration users die. That is MUCH higher than OC scuba. > > Of course you take a risk leaving your house in the morning. What's your > point? Driving a car is risky, so why would you want to do something like > blindfold yourself to make it riskier? > > This is analogous to making the already risky sport of scuba even riskier > by using a CC rebreather instead of just the standard OC gear. > > If 1% of automobile drivers died in car accidents, I'd walk, or hope the > goverment would outlaw it. > > ss > > > On Wed, 12 Mar 2003 christi5@ix*.ne*.co* wrote: > > > Hi Chris, > > Just curious, what is the accident rate in these things? > > > > Also, don't you think you play the odds whenever you leave your house in > the morning? > > > > Cheers > > > > > > -------Original Message------- > > From: Chris Elmore <chelmore@be*.ne*> > > Sent: 03/12/03 10:01 AM > > To: techdiver@aquanaut.com > > Subject: Re: Inspirational > > > > > > > > Bill, > > There are those people who trust electronics in a moist environment to > > deliver the proper gas and there are those of us that don't. You do > > whatever > > you want; the accident rate in these things verifies my belief. I don't > > play > > the odds. Your attitude reminds me of the RealTV shots of skateboarders > > who > > constantly crash and break bones just so they can get one run that looks > > cool. > > C. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Bill" <bill.johnstone@te*.ne*> > > To: <techdiver@aquanaut.com> > > Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 11:59 AM > > Subject: Inspirational > > > > > > > All this talk of inspirations recently ~ > > > Have you seen this: <a target=_blank > > > href="http://www.ukrs.org.uk/ukdiver/inspiration.html">http://www.ukrs.org.uk/uk diver/inspiration.html</a> > > > ~ from people that actually know what they are talking about. > > > > > > what about all these expeditions using Inspirations: > > > <a target=_blank > > > href="http://www.deepblu.co.uk/gallery/carpathia01.htm">http://www.deepblu.co.uk /gallery/carpathia01.htm</a> > > > at 500feet for 20 minutes. > > > > > > and <a target=_blank > > > href="http://www.trimixdivers.com/Navigate.do">http://www.trimixdivers.com/Navig ate.do</a> recent dives on the Niagra in > > New Zealand. > > > > > > I guess we will read about GUE guys doing these dives in 4-5 years > time > > after everyone else has moved on... > > > Bill > > > -- > > > Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to > `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. > > > Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to > `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. > > > > > > > -- > > Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. > > Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. > > > > > -- > > Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. > > Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. > > > > > > -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. 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