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From: Michael Fisch <michael.fisch@gm*.ne*>
Date: Fri, 13 Sep 200213 43:03:00
Subject: Re: Halcyon RB 80 Accident
To: techdiver@aquanaut.com

Dear Peter, 



I am well aware of what you are calling a rebreather accident.

But if the only rebreather accidents that are counted are those where the
rebreather has to break before it become a rebreather accident then there are
almost no rebreather accidents, which we both know to be BS. As George has
repeatedly said, a rebreather is a tool to use when the mission objectives
cannot be attained with any other means. All rebreathers are deadly, all
rebreathers are dangerous to greater or lesser degrees, some are better than
others, but they are all more dangerous than standard Open Circuit equipment.



As far as the number of accidents per rebreather sold goes, 

I doubt that Halcyon has sold 20 RB80s, that's a 10% accident rate

A far as the Halycon PVR-BASC (refridgerator) goes, I also doubt that more than
20 were sold, that's a 5% accident rate.

Then comes the CisLunar Mk 5, 3 deaths total.

Next is the CisLunar Mk3, 1 death.

Buddy Inspirations have been hanging in there for years with accident rates
around or less than 1% for years

And yes there are rebreathers with a lot less than 1% accident rates per unit
sold.







Michael,



On Wed, 11 Sep 200213, at 15:41 [GMT ] (17:41 11. september 3605 where I

live), you [M] wrote:

M> 3. Assuming the number of Halycon RB-80s sold is as small as I think

M> it is, Halycon now has the first 2 Places in number of diving

M> accidents per rebreather sold. Using statistics we should be able to

M> show that the inspiration is much safer!



When discussing rebreather accidents, one must distinguish between two

types:

- The accident occurs as a direct/indirect consequence of the rebreather

in question

- The accident _might_ just as well have been on OC.



From what I gather from the RB80 accident (and Michael, neither you nor

me know about how many _accidents_ there have been on the Inspiration,

so your claim of Halcyon having the largest number of accidents is just

plain ludicrous) it could just as well occurred on OC (the broken neck

seal). Furthermore it was an _accident_ as opposed to the numerous

Inspiration _deaths_.



The same of the Dennis Harding PVR-BASC death. That had nothing to do

with the rebreather itself.



Of course, we don't _know_ whether a lot of the Inspiration deaths were

due to the machine or not (directly/indirectly) - as most of the dead

divers were diving - solo, the mother of all fuck-ups.



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<greeting> Best regards </greeting> 

<author> Peter Fjelsten </author>

<location> �rhus C, Denmark </location>





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