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From: Michael Fisch <michael.fisch@gm*.ne*>
Date: Sun, 15 Sep 200213 24:20:00
Subject: Re: Halcyon RB 80 Accident
To: techdiver@aquanaut.com

Dear Danielo Allegrini and Leandro Dybal Bertoni,





Your privat emails to me caused me to re-examine the information that I had
available.

I'm sorry to have posted depreciating remarks about the support divers, from
the information that I had at the time I assumed that the 2 divers who were
videotaping were also doing midlevel support. Having reread the information, I
now agree that they were not doing support, and that there appears to have been
no deep or midlevel support divers to assist the 2 protagonists Marcus Werneck
e Luis Toledo.  My comments about the support divers not having a clue were
wrong since they were able to connect up to the bottom divers at 22M and
exchange  information about 2 hours into the dive.  If deep and midlevel
support divers had been available, would this have made a great deal of
difference?



 Michael Fisch











               ----- Original Message -----

               Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 4:13 PM

               Subject: RB80 - accident





               >

               > I have received so many e-mails asking for the Report that I
decided to

               > post it to all members.

               > You can have an access to full Report at

               > http://www.pdic.com.br/relatorios.asp in spite of it is in
Portuguese

               there

               > are some photos and the graphic (dive profile) of both divers.
The

               > downloading is quite large (1mb).

               > Below I will try to figure out the main points of the Report :

               > ___________________________________________________

               > Diving Accident Report

               > Accident's Place : Ceita Core Cavern, Bonito, MS

               > Accident's Date: 20 August 2002

               > Divers in the accident : Marcus Werneck e Luis Toledo

               > Support divers:

               > Ismael Escote, Jayme Planas Navarro, Edmundo da Costa
J�nior; Leandro

               Dybal

               > Bertoni,

               > Danilo Allegrini, Valfredo Pires Jr., S�rgio Costa

               > Level of training :

               > � Marcus Werneck - PDIC Instructor Trainer; Instrutor GUE
Cave 1, 2 e Tech

               > 1, 2, e 3; RB-80 diver

               > � Luis Toledo - GUE Cave 2, Tech 3, RB-80 diver

               > � Ismael Escote - Instructor NAUI, PDIC; Full cave diver,
Trimix diver

               > � Jayme Planas Navarro - Full cave diver; Trimix diver

               > � S�rgio Costa - GUE Cave I diver; Photo Sub

               > � Edmundo da Costa J�nior - Instructor PADI, SSI, GUE Cave
1 e Tech 1,

               > Instructor TDI

               > Trimix

               > � Leandro Dybal Bertoni - GUE Cave 2 diver, Tech 1; SSI
Stress e Rescue

               > diver

               > � Danilo Allegrini - GUE Cave 1 diver, Tech 1; SSI Stress e
Rescue diver

               > � Valfredo Pires Jr - GUE Cave 1 diver, Tech 1; Instructor
PADI

               > Important equipments used :

               > � Halcyon RB-80 with double S80, stages S80 e S40

               > � Argon cylinder 14 cuft 2015 psi, with Argon

               > � Dry Suit DUI TLS350

               > � Undergarment DUI Polartec 300

               > � Hood 5 mm

               > Prof. Max and Mixes used during the dive :

               > Bottom : 160 m -> TMX 8/77

               > Intermediary : 66 m -> TMX 20/45

               > Deco : 21m -> EAN 50

               > Deco : 6 m -> 100% O2 -> (analysis after accident gave 98.3%
O2)

               > � Max. Prof. : 151 meters

               > � Bottom time till starting ascenting : 30 minutes

               > � 66m change to TMX 20/45 - 59 min. of the dive

               > � 23m change to EAN 50 - 123 min. of the dive

               > � 6m change to 100% O2:

               > � Marcus Werneck - 53 min between 6 and 3 meters

               > � Luis Toledo - 88 min. between 6 and 3 meters

               > Divers ready to start dive

               > Accidents description :

               > No problems during the begging of the dive, they went down
Ceita Core

               Cavern

               > as was planned before. After 30 minutes they start ascenting,
then Marcus

               > Werneck noticed a small leak in his Dry Suit, probably thru
the neck's

               seal.

               > Both divers said they forgot to flush the RB80' Loop before
ascenting till

               > arrive at the first stop (change mix) at 66m. They also said
they do not

               > remember what happened during this part of the dive and that
sometimes

               > breathing became �heavy�. Arriving at 40m , Luiz Toledo
said he was having

               > difficulties to coordinate movements of his bellow members.
Marcus Werneck

               > started then an extension of Deco stop times and after arrive
to a certain

               > depth, helped to stabilize his buddy position and also changed
his mix to

               > EAN 50 . After 100 minutes running time, "shallow" support
divers went

               down

               > to the 22m deco stop but both deep divers were not there, they
were bellow

               > 30 meters. The support divers decided to stay at 20 meters,
waiting for

               both

               > deep divers. Another team of 2 divers went down passing thru
the support

               > divers at 20 meters and stayed with both deep divers below
taking photos

               for

               > the next 20 minutes. The 2 photographers left the cave after
that. After

               25

               > minutes the support divers start to leave the place, they
noticed that the

               > deep divers still would take more time bellow. They met
another 2 divers

               > that were ready to give a deeper support for both deep divers.
This last

               > team met they at 22 meters, Marcus Werneck then said that Luiz
Toledo was

               > not feeling the legs and said for them to prepare the emergency

               procedures,

               > including to bring O2 to 6 meters and also a full face.

               > At 18 m, Marcus Werneck felt strong vertigo and decided to
abort the 18m

               and

               > 9m deco stops, his dry suit also had more leaking problems.
Marcus Werneck

               > left water after 53m of pure O2 and with hypothermia. Luiz
Toledo was

               still

               > doing his deco at 6 and 3 m and left water after 88m with pure
O2.

               > There were rescue and all proceedings were done for both
divers "(you can

               > find more info more at the full report)" including a
Hyperbaric Chamber

               next

               > day in Rio de Janeiro.

               > No more details.

               > _____________________________________

               > As you can notice this report is very confusing with so many
strange

               > proceedings during the dive. It will be nice to have a better
explanation.

               > Regards, Carlos

               > """"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""

               > mailto:rebreather@u...

               > mailto:rebreather@s...

               

               

               


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