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The "thread" lied and couldn't be further from the facts.
The bottle in question was not marked in accordance with any agency or
system known. It was borrowed,  like the rest of the gear,  and appeared to
be hastily assembled.   The deceased was not Australian but Italian and had
no American certifications whatsoever.....nor could one reasonably fathom
that 2 inches of unreadable masking tape on a tank neck conformed to any
"standard" or "system" other than idiocy.
 I was the recovery diver and this one qualified as one of the top 5 winners
for foolishness I've ever seen in diving.

Sometimes you can't get the truth or the facts from back "threads".
They often get terribly distorted for entertainment value.  Dustin

----- Original Message -----
From: MHK <mhkane@pr*.ne*>
To: Peter Ramsay <philidae@ya*.co*>; aquanaut <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 7:27 PM
Subject: Re: A few thoughts on recent exchanges


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> From: "Peter Ramsay" <philidae@ya*.co*>
> > I remember one incident at Diepolder where a guy died.
> >  An Australian, I believe.  It wasn't an IANTD dive,
> > it had nothing to do with IANTD, but everybody latched
> > onto Mount like vultures screaming that HE was
> > responsible for this man's death.  He pointed out the
> > man wasn't an IANTD diver, but of course it didn't do
> > him any good.
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> Peter,  I recall that thread, and once again, I'm not looking to re-fight
> old battles, but if you look to the specifics of that particular fatality,
> you'd see that the diver died because he had a bottle marking system
> advocated by IANTD, which did not adequately provide for a series of
checks
> that could have prevented teh fatality.  Furthermore, if you research that
> thread, as I have taken the time to do, you'd note that as a result of
that
> fatality Tom Mount publicy declared that he was implementing changes to
> IANTD standards to prevent futire loss of life.  So I can't see how on the
> one hand you can advance an argument that it wasn't an *IANTD* fatality
when
> it was IANTD's bottle marking scheme is question, adn when you have the
head
> of the agency making public statements about the changes to standards.
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> as I've said this isn't the time to re-fight old battles, but it speaks to
> teh point that I'm trying to highlight, that if you take a second to look
> objectively at what is going on, the anti-DIR crowd was defending, yet
> another, fatality that resulted from using procedures other then DIR.  The
> whole point is that George seems to always point out what could have saved
> the life, and teh anti-DIR crowd seems to always defend the procedure that
> just got someone killed.  SO you have a choice, and for my money I'll
choose
> the system that doesn't always need defending because of fatalities.
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> George Irvine is a great diver, but a lousy ambassdor
> for DIR.  As his friend, you do him no favors by being
> one of his apologists.
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> I'm doing not such thing.  I'm not apologizing for anything George says or
> does.  Last time I checked, George was a big boy and could handle himself
> just fine, what I was offering was an opportunity for some to get a fresh
> perspective.  George has an ample history on this list, and some of the
new
> people to the list may very well be unaware of the fact that several
people
> have taken very public stances against DIR, and then shortly after their
> public tirade they have wound up dead because of the very arguments that
> they had advanced.  Garrett Weinberg's fatality comes to mind in that
> regard.  I took the time to research and post several public forums that
> people who opposed George's view's made very public declarations that
> George's system is too inflexible, and then therefore inherintley flawed,
> and then within months of some of those public declarations the
spokesperson
> wound up dead..  Some may choose to obfuscate the facts and misdirect the
> attention to behavioral issues, I simply invited the list to ignore the
> antics and look to the facts and stay focused on the facts and not the
> tirades.
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