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Simon, I do use sidemounts when in the Bahamas most of the time since there are so many caves that are room to room with low squeezes ( as opposed to freattic passage) and it is easier to get the gear over there on the little airplanes. I do use a rebreather for ridiculously deep dives and for long , deep cave dives. I don't use a rebreather that adds more risk, and I dive it with proper bailout and an appropriate buddy team - things that are clearly over your head. You still don't have a clue what we are talkinq about here, what DIR is, or what you are talking about. You still have yet to show me what system, idea or whatever works better and you have yet to show me what does not work in DIR. You started with the "cult" bullshit, and now you need to show me where doing anything safely and correctly involves "cultism". If you did read JJ's book, you need to get some reading comprehension lessons. There is nothing in there about "cults" or doing any stupid things that you seem to be so sure are correct. My bet is that you really do not know anything about any of this, and my bet is that if you just talk enough on here, you will prove it. You have already shown you have some big resentment of this ( as in the video of the morons who do what 99% of you do), but then my guess is that you recognized yourself in there and don't see the need for DIR. -----Original Message----- From: Simon Naunton [mailto:snaunton@ho*.co*] Sent: Friday, August 16, 2002 11:45 PM To: George Irvine Cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com Subject: Re: NEW DIR VIDEO George, 1 - Sidemounting in sumps 2 - CCRs for 100M+ dives in the ocean. I do neither, you do neither, so the two of us arguing over it would be a wee bit silly. DIR is a very good system and I have learned a lot from JJ's books. I don't believe that it is the only way to dive safely though. Cheers, Simon. ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Irvine" <trey@my*.ne*> To: "Simon Naunton" <snaunton@ho*.co*>; <David@di*.co*> Cc: <techdiver@aquanaut.com> Sent: Friday, August 16, 2002 9:04 PM Subject: RE: NEW DIR VIDEO > Simon, tell us all what makes more sense than DIR - pick anything you want > and I will prove you wrong. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Simon Naunton [mailto:snaunton@ho*.co*] > Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 2:33 AM > To: David@di*.co* > Cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com > Subject: Re: NEW DIR VIDEO > > > David, > > "I don't attribute this to some innate ability that I have - I attribute it > to superior training." > > I agree. However, this does not mean that every non-GUE instuctor is a bad > instructor and it is not really fair to imply the opposite as you have done. > > "For me there is no competition between philosophies - I'm going to do > whatever works best for me to accomplish my goals." > > Me too. I commend you for having that, most un-DIR, attitude. > > "So - answer me this: If you were a new diver choosing an instructor > - do you want the dude hanging on the rope teaching you how to dive, > or do you want the people who taught the guy holding the video camera?" > > The answer is obvious, but, to re-iterate, not all non-GUE instructors are > bad instructors e.g. I have never been anywhere near a GUE instructor, but > my buoyancy appears to be at least as good as yours. And, I know of plenty > of people in the same position as me. > > However, until GUE is firmly established in the recreational (as opposed to > technical) diving space then this is not really a fair comparison to make. I > do agree that your video was a good example of recreational diving > instruction at close to its worse. > > All this aside... nice site... and I am extremely jealous of your orca > experience. > > Cheers, > > Si. > > >From: David Evans <David@di*.co*> > >To: "John P. Butler" <jpbutler@so*.co*> > >CC: techdiver@aquanaut.com > >Subject: Re: NEW DIR VIDEO > >Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 21:08:09 -0700 > > > >John, I have held off on introducing myself to the list, as I wanted to > >observe a bit first. > > > >Let me introduce myself to you. I am the brainwashed DIR cult member that > >shot the video in question. Nice to meet you too. > > > >My wife and I have been diving for 15 months. In that fifteen months, > >we've learned a lot about diving, and we've learned that we have a (whole) > >lot more to learn. > > > >One lesson I learned is that as far as divers go, in fifteen months time I > >can kick the crap out of a PADI Master Instructor in my buoyancy skills. I > >don't attribute this to some innate ability that I have - I attribute it to > >superior training. > > > >We are not technical divers, and we aren't cavers, although we both have > >some interest in developing our skills in this direction, I don't have any > >agenda except to improve as a diver and improve as a photographer, to do > >both safely, and to have big time fun. > > > >For me there is no competition between philosophies - I'm going to do > >whatever works best for me to accomplish my goals. I have been very > >pleased with the RESULTS of my DIR training, which are evident directly > >from this video, and indirectly from my photography (not bad for a guy with > >only a year's experience, don't you think?) > > > >So - answer me this: If you were a new diver choosing an instructor - do > >you want the dude hanging on the rope teaching you how to dive, or do you > >want the people who taught the guy holding the video camera? > > > >We had just come up from the HMCS Columbia - it looks to me like we were > >the ones who belonged there and the PADI Master Instructor was a bit out of > >his league - wouldn't you agree? > > > >I don't know George Irvine at all - never met him. But I have learned from > >the techniques that he, apparently, helped to define and refine. That does > >not make me a cult member - it makes me an educated consumer. > > > >If you have questions about our diving, please email me. I would be happy > >to discuss with you why we dive, how we dive, and what diving means to us. > > > >Thank you very much for you kind understanding. > > > >-David Evans > >www.diveseen.com > >Northwest Underwater Photography and Videography > > > > > > > >On Tuesday, August 13, 2002, at 06:18 PM, John P. Butler wrote: > > > >>Yah, This video spoke to me, too. > >>It told me that the participants were brainwashed DIR cult members who > >>have > >>nothing better to do underwater than make a friggin propaganda video. > >> > >>Tell me what quarry were you diving in? ;O} > >> > >>John > > > >-- > >Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. > >Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. > > > > > Simon Naunton > snaunton@ho*.co* > > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > > -- > Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. > Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. > -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. 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