Hi Dave:

Your points are well taken.

I have had these scooters for about 10 years.  I have had the "cheap" clutch
AND the "expensive" clutch.  A good general statement is that the scooters
are indestructable and like everything else in life, you need to use the
correct part or tool for your needs.  The whining about the clutch is bull.
It is just more smoke and mirrors.  Undoubtedly there will be some form of
"confession" coming soon.

The "cheap" clutch is fine for ocean use.  You just have to keep crap away
from the props.  Now if one is cave diving where you don't have the luxury
of just going up, or if one is incapable of avoiding fishing line and / or
keeping fingers, regulators and SPG's out of the props, you need to spend
the money on the more expensive clutch.

Better yet, if the problems stems from an inability to stay out of the props
you need to work on fundamental skills.  Unfortunately, that just doesn't
sound "cool" and detracts from the big time diver image.

This is argument for the sake of making noise.  I have yet to hear one shred
of constructive information out of this guy.  All I ever hear is some form
of imagined negativity about someone or something, tales of personal peril
and self aggrandizement.  The next thing you know he'll be screaming about
insider trading in clutches.

Regards.

Joe





----- Original Message -----
From: "dmdalton" <dmdalton2000@ya*.co*>
To: "Duane Liptak Jr." <dliptakjr@ea*.ne*>; <techdiver@aquanaut.com>;
"'Quest@Gu*. Com'" <quest@gu*.co*>; "George Irvine" <trey@my*.ne*>
Cc: "Capt JT" <captjt@mi*.co*>
Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2002 9:26 PM
Subject: George's Scooter Support / WAS - Cheap parts?


> I've watched this thread for some time an now feel it
> is necessary to post.
>
> I bought one of the new Gavin wreck diving scooters
> from George as part of the VB Tech crowd. George was
> extremely helpful during, as well as after the
> purchase.  He made every effort to get the scooters to
> the folks up here in the quickest possible time. Mine
> arrived in less than 5 days after order.
>
> Mine has the appropriate clutch for my use. To say
> that I (or others) was (were) given less than what I
> (they) thought we were going to get in the product is
> to say that you didn't get the trailer towing package
> on your new pick-up truck when a) you never plan to
> pull a trailer, b)never ordered the package, and c)
> never paid for the package.
>
> Now that I know that there is a different clutch
> available I have NO plans to order it as mine works
> great and I don't plan to do the type of diving that
> George says the other clutch is necessary for.  In
> other words I'm not pulling a trailer, so I have no
> need for the trailer pulling package. So I don't know
> why someone would order the towing package (more
> expensive & finicky clutch) if you aren't pulling a
> trailer.  I'll take the recommendations of the
> manufacturer.
>
> After I first used the scooter I found it took in a
> small amount of water. I called George, told him the
> problem and let HIM diagnose it. He told me the
> solution and shipped me a replacement nose cone that
> day, no charge. I took the scooter out with the new
> nose cone and problem solved!
>
> Todd got his scooter about a month before I got mine.
> He had a minor problem of the switch not working
> properly depending on the attitude of the scooter.
> Being an electronics wiz (a former Nuclear Reactor
> Operator for the US Navy), he diagnosed it on the spot
> while I watched.  Then, instead of trying to kludge up
> a fix, he called George, explained the situation and
> asked what to do.  George explained to him how to
> adjust the reed switch in 20 seconds and problem
> solved.
>
> As far as I know, EVERYONE who contacted George
> directly was taken care of with no problem. It would
> seem that the only one who has a problem in dealing
> with George on scooters is JT, who has not purchased a
> scooter from George but has one he got from someone
> else.
>
> Yes JT has had, and destroyed, more scooters than most
> folks have ever owned.  And while JT has 3 scooters,
> he uses one of George's he got from someone else
> because his other two are in pieces.  He has pretty
> well destroyed them while trying to re-design his
> Apollos into "Gavin look alikes". However, when I last
> saw one of then in April, it looked a bit more like
> the "Bride of Frankenstein".
>
> Dave Dalton
>
>
> --- Capt JT <captjt@mi*.co*> wrote:
> > Hi Duane
> > So you really see no problem with him selling Gavins
> > with parts in them
> > that he does not even use in his own. The scooters
> > are said to be the best,
> > they are even advertised as having gold
> > superconnectors, with all of these
> > statements a 5 dollars plastic clutch is put in it
> > and sent to the buyer.
> > You telling me that's OK with you, did he do it to
> > you? I saw nothing on
> > the options page about a choice in clutches, only a
> > mention in the owners
> > manual part and it does not say anything in great
> > detail about it, only how
> > to set the clutch with the washers and such. No cost
> > is found for it in
> > pricing, unless someone who already knows this stuff
> > tells you, you buy the
> > scooter blind to this fact. Hopefully now everyone
> > is aware of this and
> > know what to ask for.......
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >    At 11:20 PM 8/7/02 -0500, Duane Liptak Jr. wrote:
> > >The whole Gavin maintenance deal is really
> > simplified once you understand
> > >that the things are virtual tanks, if anything IS
> > wrong, it's probably
> > >something that the operator screwed up because they
> > didn't know how it
> > >worked, and that if there is a problem, ask Trey,
> > without TELLING him what
> > >you think the diagnosis should be.  Cotton in the
> > appropriate place, if
> > >necessary.  He'll of course know exactly what the
> > problem is, and you'll be
> > >back on the trigger in no time.  The only problem
> > I've really had with mine
> > >is wearing out blades by diving the shit out of
> > them.  I, of course, thought
> > >that I had screwed something up, but a phone call
> > to Trey, new blades a
> > >couple of days later, and viola...back in the
> > saddle.
> > >
> > >Duane
> > >
> > >Subject: RE: Cheap parts - video? RE: Cut to the
> > chaseRE: VBTech vs. Nova
> > >Tech
> > >
> > >
> > > > I had a few problems with the reed in mine. I
> > was told by JT (the other
> > > > JT) that George was using the new more expensive
> > reed because of
> > > > pressure from customers who were being swayed by
> > the fact that Rodney
> > > > uses a quality reed whereas George's old
> > scooters just used a cheap
> > > > Radio Shack one, even though the cheap one
> > worked fine. But apparently
> > > > the more expensive one is more finicky so, on
> > Jim's advice (relayed from
> > > > George) I threw it away and replaced it with the
> > cheap one - no more
> > > > problems.
> > > >
> > > > And George was nothing but helpful in getting
> > the problems sorted out -
> > > > even sending me a free replacement relay when I
> > insisted that I thought
> > > > the problem was in there (George said it would
> > be the reed from the
> > > > start - should've listened).
> > > >
> > > > Ian
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Capt JT [mailto:captjt@mi*.co*]
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi Jim
> > > > > I will not say the scooters are not fun and do
> > not get the job done.
> > > > What
> > > > > happen was 2 of the scooters would stick on or
> > not come on. George
> > > > said to
> > > > > rotate the reed switch, this worked for one.
> > The other would still
> > > > stick
> > > > > on, I told the guy he had a bad switch or
> > something. We also found
> > > > that
> > > > > the
> > > > > latch was placed right over the switch and if
> > you unclipped it the
> > > > scooter
> > > > > would finally cut off. The only thing we could
> > figure was that the
> > > > > pressure
> > > > > from the latch was distorting the reed switch.
> > The guy email this to
> > > > > George
> > > > > and George pounded him on "How the hell is the
> > water pressure doing
> > > > that",
> > > > > some kind of communication break down happened
> > and the guy didn't want
> > > > to
> > > > > get pounded by G again, so I told him to just
> > tell G to send another
> > > > > switch
> > > > > and just pay for it. That fixed the problem.
> > > > >
> > > > > The clutches are a separate issue, I do not
> > think anyone knew they
> > > > would
> > > > > be
> > > > > getting a cheap clutch or that there was a
> > different one that G uses.
> > > > All
> > > > > the guys saw was the one that Cobb got and it
> > worked fine, the
> > > > following
> > > > > ones had minor problems, one ran
> > backwards....... I did not even know
> > > > > about
> > > > > the scooters needing a better clutch and one
> > would think that G would
> > > > not
> > > > > even offer them to anyone with less than the
> > best parts.
> > > > >
> > > > >   Rodney no longer puts the slower motor in
> > his because of the posting
> > > > I
> > > > > put out on how slow Christina's was. Now the
> > buyer will only get the
> > > > best
> > > > > and does not have an option, G needs to do the
> > same thing so the buyer
> > > > > does
> > > > > not feel short changed.
> > > > >
> > > >
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