I've watched this thread for some time an now feel it
is necessary to post.

I bought one of the new Gavin wreck diving scooters
from George as part of the VB Tech crowd. George was
extremely helpful during, as well as after the
purchase.  He made every effort to get the scooters to
the folks up here in the quickest possible time. Mine
arrived in less than 5 days after order. 

Mine has the appropriate clutch for my use. To say
that I (or others) was (were) given less than what I
(they) thought we were going to get in the product is
to say that you didn't get the trailer towing package
on your new pick-up truck when a) you never plan to
pull a trailer, b)never ordered the package, and c)
never paid for the package.

Now that I know that there is a different clutch
available I have NO plans to order it as mine works
great and I don't plan to do the type of diving that
George says the other clutch is necessary for.  In
other words I'm not pulling a trailer, so I have no
need for the trailer pulling package. So I don't know
why someone would order the towing package (more
expensive & finicky clutch) if you aren't pulling a
trailer.  I'll take the recommendations of the
manufacturer.

After I first used the scooter I found it took in a
small amount of water. I called George, told him the
problem and let HIM diagnose it. He told me the
solution and shipped me a replacement nose cone that
day, no charge. I took the scooter out with the new
nose cone and problem solved!

Todd got his scooter about a month before I got mine. 
He had a minor problem of the switch not working
properly depending on the attitude of the scooter.
Being an electronics wiz (a former Nuclear Reactor
Operator for the US Navy), he diagnosed it on the spot
while I watched.  Then, instead of trying to kludge up
a fix, he called George, explained the situation and
asked what to do.  George explained to him how to
adjust the reed switch in 20 seconds and problem
solved.

As far as I know, EVERYONE who contacted George
directly was taken care of with no problem. It would
seem that the only one who has a problem in dealing
with George on scooters is JT, who has not purchased a
scooter from George but has one he got from someone
else.

Yes JT has had, and destroyed, more scooters than most
folks have ever owned.  And while JT has 3 scooters,
he uses one of George's he got from someone else
because his other two are in pieces.  He has pretty
well destroyed them while trying to re-design his
Apollos into "Gavin look alikes". However, when I last
saw one of then in April, it looked a bit more like
the "Bride of Frankenstein".

Dave Dalton 
     
     
--- Capt JT <captjt@mi*.co*> wrote:
> Hi Duane
> So you really see no problem with him selling Gavins
> with parts in them 
> that he does not even use in his own. The scooters
> are said to be the best, 
> they are even advertised as having gold
> superconnectors, with all of these 
> statements a 5 dollars plastic clutch is put in it
> and sent to the buyer. 
> You telling me that's OK with you, did he do it to
> you? I saw nothing on 
> the options page about a choice in clutches, only a
> mention in the owners 
> manual part and it does not say anything in great
> detail about it, only how 
> to set the clutch with the washers and such. No cost
> is found for it in 
> pricing, unless someone who already knows this stuff
> tells you, you buy the 
> scooter blind to this fact. Hopefully now everyone
> is aware of this and 
> know what to ask for.......
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>    At 11:20 PM 8/7/02 -0500, Duane Liptak Jr. wrote:
> >The whole Gavin maintenance deal is really
> simplified once you understand
> >that the things are virtual tanks, if anything IS
> wrong, it's probably
> >something that the operator screwed up because they
> didn't know how it
> >worked, and that if there is a problem, ask Trey,
> without TELLING him what
> >you think the diagnosis should be.  Cotton in the
> appropriate place, if
> >necessary.  He'll of course know exactly what the
> problem is, and you'll be
> >back on the trigger in no time.  The only problem
> I've really had with mine
> >is wearing out blades by diving the shit out of
> them.  I, of course, thought
> >that I had screwed something up, but a phone call
> to Trey, new blades a
> >couple of days later, and viola...back in the
> saddle.
> >
> >Duane
> >
> >Subject: RE: Cheap parts - video? RE: Cut to the
> chaseRE: VBTech vs. Nova
> >Tech
> >
> >
> > > I had a few problems with the reed in mine. I
> was told by JT (the other
> > > JT) that George was using the new more expensive
> reed because of
> > > pressure from customers who were being swayed by
> the fact that Rodney
> > > uses a quality reed whereas George's old
> scooters just used a cheap
> > > Radio Shack one, even though the cheap one
> worked fine. But apparently
> > > the more expensive one is more finicky so, on
> Jim's advice (relayed from
> > > George) I threw it away and replaced it with the
> cheap one - no more
> > > problems.
> > >
> > > And George was nothing but helpful in getting
> the problems sorted out -
> > > even sending me a free replacement relay when I
> insisted that I thought
> > > the problem was in there (George said it would
> be the reed from the
> > > start - should've listened).
> > >
> > > Ian
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Capt JT [mailto:captjt@mi*.co*]
> > > >
> > > > Hi Jim
> > > > I will not say the scooters are not fun and do
> not get the job done.
> > > What
> > > > happen was 2 of the scooters would stick on or
> not come on. George
> > > said to
> > > > rotate the reed switch, this worked for one.
> The other would still
> > > stick
> > > > on, I told the guy he had a bad switch or
> something. We also found
> > > that
> > > > the
> > > > latch was placed right over the switch and if
> you unclipped it the
> > > scooter
> > > > would finally cut off. The only thing we could
> figure was that the
> > > > pressure
> > > > from the latch was distorting the reed switch.
> The guy email this to
> > > > George
> > > > and George pounded him on "How the hell is the
> water pressure doing
> > > that",
> > > > some kind of communication break down happened
> and the guy didn't want
> > > to
> > > > get pounded by G again, so I told him to just
> tell G to send another
> > > > switch
> > > > and just pay for it. That fixed the problem.
> > > >
> > > > The clutches are a separate issue, I do not
> think anyone knew they
> > > would
> > > > be
> > > > getting a cheap clutch or that there was a
> different one that G uses.
> > > All
> > > > the guys saw was the one that Cobb got and it
> worked fine, the
> > > following
> > > > ones had minor problems, one ran
> backwards....... I did not even know
> > > > about
> > > > the scooters needing a better clutch and one
> would think that G would
> > > not
> > > > even offer them to anyone with less than the
> best parts.
> > > >
> > > >   Rodney no longer puts the slower motor in
> his because of the posting
> > > I
> > > > put out on how slow Christina's was. Now the
> buyer will only get the
> > > best
> > > > and does not have an option, G needs to do the
> same thing so the buyer
> > > > does
> > > > not feel short changed.
> > > >
> > >
> > >
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> "You can't learn to dive on the net, sooner or later
> you have to get in the 
> water"
> Your Guide to Great Wreck Diving along the East
> Coast & more
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Dave Dalton

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  You've got to go to practice if you want to be ready!"

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