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From: "Joe" <joe@po*.co*>
To: <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
Subject: Re: Cheap parts?
Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 16:53:36 -0700
You just have to stay out of the fishing line and the cheap clutch lasts
forever.



----- Original Message -----
From: <kkauth@at*.ne*>
To: "Duane Liptak Jr." <dliptakjr@ea*.ne*>
Cc: <techdiver@aquanaut.com>; "'Quest@Gu*. Com'" <quest@gu*.co*>; "Capt
JT"
<captjt@mi*.co*>
Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 8:33 AM
Subject: Re: Cheap parts?


> Over 200 dives on the "cheap" clutch in the ocean in all
> sorts of conditions and only had to replace it once.
> > JT,
> >     Bill Gavin had the $5 clutch on his scooter, and I had one on mine
for a
> > while.  The Oceanic clutch is a lot less likely to slip, even when you
want
> > it to, but it will not hold up to repeatedly slipping.  The only reason
we
> > use the other clutch is because we need the ability to slip and
re-engage
> > the clutch repeatedly to get the job done in case the relay sticks on.
For
> > what you guys are doing, it should have worked fine.  The plastic clutch
> > requires a lot less fussing with to set up, it should not slip unless
you
> > want it to, or you plow furrows in the sand with it, and if you do slip
one
> > bad enough to strip it, you can throw the damn thing away and put on a
new
> > one for $5.  You can do this over 20 times before you would break even
on
> > the other clutch.  The delrin clutch is a pain in the ass, dealing with
the
> > supplier can be like cretin day at the goat rodeo, and I much preferred
the
> > plastic clutch, but like I said, we need the ability to do the infinite
> > slipping.
> >     You guys got the first of a batch of experimental scooters.  If it
were
> > me, I would have expected to work closely with the builder to sort out
the
> > details.  These things were built for what you guys wanted, and you had
> > about the best opportunity possible to get them refined to where they
suited
> > your needs perfectly.  I think you would have been a lot happier with
the
> > scooters and with the end result if some of that infamous pride got
> > swallowed, and more questions were asked.  :-)
> >
> > Duane
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Capt JT" <captjt@mi*.co*>
> > To: "Duane Liptak Jr." <dliptakjr@ea*.ne*>;
<techdiver@aquanaut.com>;
> > "'Quest@Gu*. Com'" <quest@gu*.co*>
> > Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 5:08 PM
> > Subject: Re: Cheap parts?
> >
> >
> > > Hi Duane
> > > So you really see no problem with him selling Gavins with parts in
them
> > > that he does not even use in his own. The scooters are said to be the
> > best,
> > > they are even advertised as having gold superconnectors, with all of
these
> > > statements a 5 dollars plastic clutch is put in it and sent to the
buyer.
> > > You telling me that's OK with you, did he do it to you? I saw nothing
on
> > > the options page about a choice in clutches, only a mention in the
owners
> > > manual part and it does not say anything in great detail about it,
only
> > how
> > > to set the clutch with the washers and such. No cost is found for it
in
> > > pricing, unless someone who already knows this stuff tells you, you
buy
> > the
> > > scooter blind to this fact. Hopefully now everyone is aware of this
and
> > > know what to ask for.......
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >    At 11:20 PM 8/7/02 -0500, Duane Liptak Jr. wrote:
> > > >The whole Gavin maintenance deal is really simplified once you
understand
> > > >that the things are virtual tanks, if anything IS wrong, it's
probably
> > > >something that the operator screwed up because they didn't know how
it
> > > >worked, and that if there is a problem, ask Trey, without TELLING him
> > what
> > > >you think the diagnosis should be.  Cotton in the appropriate place,
if
> > > >necessary.  He'll of course know exactly what the problem is, and
you'll
> > be
> > > >back on the trigger in no time.  The only problem I've really had
with
> > mine
> > > >is wearing out blades by diving the shit out of them.  I, of course,
> > thought
> > > >that I had screwed something up, but a phone call to Trey, new blades
a
> > > >couple of days later, and viola...back in the saddle.
> > > >
> > > >Duane
> > > >
> > > >Subject: RE: Cheap parts - video? RE: Cut to the chaseRE: VBTech vs.
Nova
> > > >Tech
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > I had a few problems with the reed in mine. I was told by JT (the
> > other
> > > > > JT) that George was using the new more expensive reed because of
> > > > > pressure from customers who were being swayed by the fact that
Rodney
> > > > > uses a quality reed whereas George's old scooters just used a
cheap
> > > > > Radio Shack one, even though the cheap one worked fine. But
apparently
> > > > > the more expensive one is more finicky so, on Jim's advice
(relayed
> > from
> > > > > George) I threw it away and replaced it with the cheap one - no
more
> > > > > problems.
> > > > >
> > > > > And George was nothing but helpful in getting the problems sorted
> > out -
> > > > > even sending me a free replacement relay when I insisted that I
> > thought
> > > > > the problem was in there (George said it would be the reed from
the
> > > > > start - should've listened).
> > > > >
> > > > > Ian
> > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: Capt JT [mailto:captjt@mi*.co*]
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hi Jim
> > > > > > I will not say the scooters are not fun and do not get the job
done.
> > > > > What
> > > > > > happen was 2 of the scooters would stick on or not come on.
George
> > > > > said to
> > > > > > rotate the reed switch, this worked for one. The other would
still
> > > > > stick
> > > > > > on, I told the guy he had a bad switch or something. We also
found
> > > > > that
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > latch was placed right over the switch and if you unclipped it
the
> > > > > scooter
> > > > > > would finally cut off. The only thing we could figure was that
the
> > > > > > pressure
> > > > > > from the latch was distorting the reed switch. The guy email
this to
> > > > > > George
> > > > > > and George pounded him on "How the hell is the water pressure
doing
> > > > > that",
> > > > > > some kind of communication break down happened and the guy
didn't
> > want
> > > > > to
> > > > > > get pounded by G again, so I told him to just tell G to send
another
> > > > > > switch
> > > > > > and just pay for it. That fixed the problem.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The clutches are a separate issue, I do not think anyone knew
they
> > > > > would
> > > > > > be
> > > > > > getting a cheap clutch or that there was a different one that G
> > uses.
> > > > > All
> > > > > > the guys saw was the one that Cobb got and it worked fine, the
> > > > > following
> > > > > > ones had minor problems, one ran backwards....... I did not even
> > know
> > > > > > about
> > > > > > the scooters needing a better clutch and one would think that G
> > would
> > > > > not
> > > > > > even offer them to anyone with less than the best parts.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >   Rodney no longer puts the slower motor in his because of the
> > posting
> > > > > I
> > > > > > put out on how slow Christina's was. Now the buyer will only get
the
> > > > > best
> > > > > > and does not have an option, G needs to do the same thing so the
> > buyer
> > > > > > does
> > > > > > not feel short changed.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
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