Over 200 dives on the "cheap" clutch in the ocean in all 
sorts of conditions and only had to replace it once.
> JT,
>     Bill Gavin had the $5 clutch on his scooter, and I had one on mine for a
> while.  The Oceanic clutch is a lot less likely to slip, even when you want
> it to, but it will not hold up to repeatedly slipping.  The only reason we
> use the other clutch is because we need the ability to slip and re-engage
> the clutch repeatedly to get the job done in case the relay sticks on.  For
> what you guys are doing, it should have worked fine.  The plastic clutch
> requires a lot less fussing with to set up, it should not slip unless you
> want it to, or you plow furrows in the sand with it, and if you do slip one
> bad enough to strip it, you can throw the damn thing away and put on a new
> one for $5.  You can do this over 20 times before you would break even on
> the other clutch.  The delrin clutch is a pain in the ass, dealing with the
> supplier can be like cretin day at the goat rodeo, and I much preferred the
> plastic clutch, but like I said, we need the ability to do the infinite
> slipping.
>     You guys got the first of a batch of experimental scooters.  If it were
> me, I would have expected to work closely with the builder to sort out the
> details.  These things were built for what you guys wanted, and you had
> about the best opportunity possible to get them refined to where they suited
> your needs perfectly.  I think you would have been a lot happier with the
> scooters and with the end result if some of that infamous pride got
> swallowed, and more questions were asked.  :-)
> 
> Duane
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Capt JT" <captjt@mi*.co*>
> To: "Duane Liptak Jr." <dliptakjr@ea*.ne*>; <techdiver@aquanaut.com>;
> "'Quest@Gu*. Com'" <quest@gu*.co*>
> Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 5:08 PM
> Subject: Re: Cheap parts?
> 
> 
> > Hi Duane
> > So you really see no problem with him selling Gavins with parts in them
> > that he does not even use in his own. The scooters are said to be the
> best,
> > they are even advertised as having gold superconnectors, with all of these
> > statements a 5 dollars plastic clutch is put in it and sent to the buyer.
> > You telling me that's OK with you, did he do it to you? I saw nothing on
> > the options page about a choice in clutches, only a mention in the owners
> > manual part and it does not say anything in great detail about it, only
> how
> > to set the clutch with the washers and such. No cost is found for it in
> > pricing, unless someone who already knows this stuff tells you, you buy
> the
> > scooter blind to this fact. Hopefully now everyone is aware of this and
> > know what to ask for.......
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >    At 11:20 PM 8/7/02 -0500, Duane Liptak Jr. wrote:
> > >The whole Gavin maintenance deal is really simplified once you understand
> > >that the things are virtual tanks, if anything IS wrong, it's probably
> > >something that the operator screwed up because they didn't know how it
> > >worked, and that if there is a problem, ask Trey, without TELLING him
> what
> > >you think the diagnosis should be.  Cotton in the appropriate place, if
> > >necessary.  He'll of course know exactly what the problem is, and you'll
> be
> > >back on the trigger in no time.  The only problem I've really had with
> mine
> > >is wearing out blades by diving the shit out of them.  I, of course,
> thought
> > >that I had screwed something up, but a phone call to Trey, new blades a
> > >couple of days later, and viola...back in the saddle.
> > >
> > >Duane
> > >
> > >Subject: RE: Cheap parts - video? RE: Cut to the chaseRE: VBTech vs. Nova
> > >Tech
> > >
> > >
> > > > I had a few problems with the reed in mine. I was told by JT (the
> other
> > > > JT) that George was using the new more expensive reed because of
> > > > pressure from customers who were being swayed by the fact that Rodney
> > > > uses a quality reed whereas George's old scooters just used a cheap
> > > > Radio Shack one, even though the cheap one worked fine. But apparently
> > > > the more expensive one is more finicky so, on Jim's advice (relayed
> from
> > > > George) I threw it away and replaced it with the cheap one - no more
> > > > problems.
> > > >
> > > > And George was nothing but helpful in getting the problems sorted
> out -
> > > > even sending me a free replacement relay when I insisted that I
> thought
> > > > the problem was in there (George said it would be the reed from the
> > > > start - should've listened).
> > > >
> > > > Ian
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Capt JT [mailto:captjt@mi*.co*]
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi Jim
> > > > > I will not say the scooters are not fun and do not get the job done.
> > > > What
> > > > > happen was 2 of the scooters would stick on or not come on. George
> > > > said to
> > > > > rotate the reed switch, this worked for one. The other would still
> > > > stick
> > > > > on, I told the guy he had a bad switch or something. We also found
> > > > that
> > > > > the
> > > > > latch was placed right over the switch and if you unclipped it the
> > > > scooter
> > > > > would finally cut off. The only thing we could figure was that the
> > > > > pressure
> > > > > from the latch was distorting the reed switch. The guy email this to
> > > > > George
> > > > > and George pounded him on "How the hell is the water pressure doing
> > > > that",
> > > > > some kind of communication break down happened and the guy didn't
> want
> > > > to
> > > > > get pounded by G again, so I told him to just tell G to send another
> > > > > switch
> > > > > and just pay for it. That fixed the problem.
> > > > >
> > > > > The clutches are a separate issue, I do not think anyone knew they
> > > > would
> > > > > be
> > > > > getting a cheap clutch or that there was a different one that G
> uses.
> > > > All
> > > > > the guys saw was the one that Cobb got and it worked fine, the
> > > > following
> > > > > ones had minor problems, one ran backwards....... I did not even
> know
> > > > > about
> > > > > the scooters needing a better clutch and one would think that G
> would
> > > > not
> > > > > even offer them to anyone with less than the best parts.
> > > > >
> > > > >   Rodney no longer puts the slower motor in his because of the
> posting
> > > > I
> > > > > put out on how slow Christina's was. Now the buyer will only get the
> > > > best
> > > > > and does not have an option, G needs to do the same thing so the
> buyer
> > > > > does
> > > > > not feel short changed.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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