JT,
    Bill Gavin had the $5 clutch on his scooter, and I had one on mine for a
while.  The Oceanic clutch is a lot less likely to slip, even when you want
it to, but it will not hold up to repeatedly slipping.  The only reason we
use the other clutch is because we need the ability to slip and re-engage
the clutch repeatedly to get the job done in case the relay sticks on.  For
what you guys are doing, it should have worked fine.  The plastic clutch
requires a lot less fussing with to set up, it should not slip unless you
want it to, or you plow furrows in the sand with it, and if you do slip one
bad enough to strip it, you can throw the damn thing away and put on a new
one for $5.  You can do this over 20 times before you would break even on
the other clutch.  The delrin clutch is a pain in the ass, dealing with the
supplier can be like cretin day at the goat rodeo, and I much preferred the
plastic clutch, but like I said, we need the ability to do the infinite
slipping.
    You guys got the first of a batch of experimental scooters.  If it were
me, I would have expected to work closely with the builder to sort out the
details.  These things were built for what you guys wanted, and you had
about the best opportunity possible to get them refined to where they suited
your needs perfectly.  I think you would have been a lot happier with the
scooters and with the end result if some of that infamous pride got
swallowed, and more questions were asked.  :-)

Duane



----- Original Message -----
From: "Capt JT" <captjt@mi*.co*>
To: "Duane Liptak Jr." <dliptakjr@ea*.ne*>; <techdiver@aquanaut.com>;
"'Quest@Gu*. Com'" <quest@gu*.co*>
Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 5:08 PM
Subject: Re: Cheap parts?


> Hi Duane
> So you really see no problem with him selling Gavins with parts in them
> that he does not even use in his own. The scooters are said to be the
best,
> they are even advertised as having gold superconnectors, with all of these
> statements a 5 dollars plastic clutch is put in it and sent to the buyer.
> You telling me that's OK with you, did he do it to you? I saw nothing on
> the options page about a choice in clutches, only a mention in the owners
> manual part and it does not say anything in great detail about it, only
how
> to set the clutch with the washers and such. No cost is found for it in
> pricing, unless someone who already knows this stuff tells you, you buy
the
> scooter blind to this fact. Hopefully now everyone is aware of this and
> know what to ask for.......
>
>
>
>
>
>
>    At 11:20 PM 8/7/02 -0500, Duane Liptak Jr. wrote:
> >The whole Gavin maintenance deal is really simplified once you understand
> >that the things are virtual tanks, if anything IS wrong, it's probably
> >something that the operator screwed up because they didn't know how it
> >worked, and that if there is a problem, ask Trey, without TELLING him
what
> >you think the diagnosis should be.  Cotton in the appropriate place, if
> >necessary.  He'll of course know exactly what the problem is, and you'll
be
> >back on the trigger in no time.  The only problem I've really had with
mine
> >is wearing out blades by diving the shit out of them.  I, of course,
thought
> >that I had screwed something up, but a phone call to Trey, new blades a
> >couple of days later, and viola...back in the saddle.
> >
> >Duane
> >
> >Subject: RE: Cheap parts - video? RE: Cut to the chaseRE: VBTech vs. Nova
> >Tech
> >
> >
> > > I had a few problems with the reed in mine. I was told by JT (the
other
> > > JT) that George was using the new more expensive reed because of
> > > pressure from customers who were being swayed by the fact that Rodney
> > > uses a quality reed whereas George's old scooters just used a cheap
> > > Radio Shack one, even though the cheap one worked fine. But apparently
> > > the more expensive one is more finicky so, on Jim's advice (relayed
from
> > > George) I threw it away and replaced it with the cheap one - no more
> > > problems.
> > >
> > > And George was nothing but helpful in getting the problems sorted
out -
> > > even sending me a free replacement relay when I insisted that I
thought
> > > the problem was in there (George said it would be the reed from the
> > > start - should've listened).
> > >
> > > Ian
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Capt JT [mailto:captjt@mi*.co*]
> > > >
> > > > Hi Jim
> > > > I will not say the scooters are not fun and do not get the job done.
> > > What
> > > > happen was 2 of the scooters would stick on or not come on. George
> > > said to
> > > > rotate the reed switch, this worked for one. The other would still
> > > stick
> > > > on, I told the guy he had a bad switch or something. We also found
> > > that
> > > > the
> > > > latch was placed right over the switch and if you unclipped it the
> > > scooter
> > > > would finally cut off. The only thing we could figure was that the
> > > > pressure
> > > > from the latch was distorting the reed switch. The guy email this to
> > > > George
> > > > and George pounded him on "How the hell is the water pressure doing
> > > that",
> > > > some kind of communication break down happened and the guy didn't
want
> > > to
> > > > get pounded by G again, so I told him to just tell G to send another
> > > > switch
> > > > and just pay for it. That fixed the problem.
> > > >
> > > > The clutches are a separate issue, I do not think anyone knew they
> > > would
> > > > be
> > > > getting a cheap clutch or that there was a different one that G
uses.
> > > All
> > > > the guys saw was the one that Cobb got and it worked fine, the
> > > following
> > > > ones had minor problems, one ran backwards....... I did not even
know
> > > > about
> > > > the scooters needing a better clutch and one would think that G
would
> > > not
> > > > even offer them to anyone with less than the best parts.
> > > >
> > > >   Rodney no longer puts the slower motor in his because of the
posting
> > > I
> > > > put out on how slow Christina's was. Now the buyer will only get the
> > > best
> > > > and does not have an option, G needs to do the same thing so the
buyer
> > > > does
> > > > not feel short changed.
> > > >
> > >
> > >
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