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At 03:33 PM 8/9/02 +0000, kkauth@at*.ne* wrote: >Over 200 dives on the "cheap" clutch in the ocean in all >sorts of conditions and only had to replace it once. The kick from the new motors may be what's doing it, we got the first ones. > > JT, > > Bill Gavin had the $5 clutch on his scooter, and I had one on mine > for a > > while. The Oceanic clutch is a lot less likely to slip, even when you want > > it to, but it will not hold up to repeatedly slipping. The only reason we > > use the other clutch is because we need the ability to slip and re-engage > > the clutch repeatedly to get the job done in case the relay sticks on. For > > what you guys are doing, it should have worked fine. The plastic clutch > > requires a lot less fussing with to set up, it should not slip unless you > > want it to, or you plow furrows in the sand with it, and if you do slip one > > bad enough to strip it, you can throw the damn thing away and put on a new > > one for $5. You can do this over 20 times before you would break even on > > the other clutch. The delrin clutch is a pain in the ass, dealing with the > > supplier can be like cretin day at the goat rodeo, and I much preferred the > > plastic clutch, but like I said, we need the ability to do the infinite > > slipping. > > You guys got the first of a batch of experimental scooters. If it were > > me, I would have expected to work closely with the builder to sort out the > > details. These things were built for what you guys wanted, and you had > > about the best opportunity possible to get them refined to where they > suited > > your needs perfectly. I think you would have been a lot happier with the > > scooters and with the end result if some of that infamous pride got > > swallowed, and more questions were asked. :-) > > > > Duane > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Capt JT" <captjt@mi*.co*> > > To: "Duane Liptak Jr." <dliptakjr@ea*.ne*>; <techdiver@aquanaut.com>; > > "'Quest@Gu*. Com'" <quest@gu*.co*> > > Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 5:08 PM > > Subject: Re: Cheap parts? > > > > > > > Hi Duane > > > So you really see no problem with him selling Gavins with parts in them > > > that he does not even use in his own. The scooters are said to be the > > best, > > > they are even advertised as having gold superconnectors, with all of > these > > > statements a 5 dollars plastic clutch is put in it and sent to the buyer. > > > You telling me that's OK with you, did he do it to you? I saw nothing on > > > the options page about a choice in clutches, only a mention in the owners > > > manual part and it does not say anything in great detail about it, only > > how > > > to set the clutch with the washers and such. No cost is found for it in > > > pricing, unless someone who already knows this stuff tells you, you buy > > the > > > scooter blind to this fact. Hopefully now everyone is aware of this and > > > know what to ask for....... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 11:20 PM 8/7/02 -0500, Duane Liptak Jr. wrote: > > > >The whole Gavin maintenance deal is really simplified once you > understand > > > >that the things are virtual tanks, if anything IS wrong, it's probably > > > >something that the operator screwed up because they didn't know how it > > > >worked, and that if there is a problem, ask Trey, without TELLING him > > what > > > >you think the diagnosis should be. Cotton in the appropriate place, if > > > >necessary. He'll of course know exactly what the problem is, and you'll > > be > > > >back on the trigger in no time. The only problem I've really had with > > mine > > > >is wearing out blades by diving the shit out of them. I, of course, > > thought > > > >that I had screwed something up, but a phone call to Trey, new blades a > > > >couple of days later, and viola...back in the saddle. > > > > > > > >Duane > > > > > > > >Subject: RE: Cheap parts - video? RE: Cut to the chaseRE: VBTech vs. > Nova > > > >Tech > > > > > > > > > > > > > I had a few problems with the reed in mine. I was told by JT (the > > other > > > > > JT) that George was using the new more expensive reed because of > > > > > pressure from customers who were being swayed by the fact that Rodney > > > > > uses a quality reed whereas George's old scooters just used a cheap > > > > > Radio Shack one, even though the cheap one worked fine. But > apparently > > > > > the more expensive one is more finicky so, on Jim's advice (relayed > > from > > > > > George) I threw it away and replaced it with the cheap one - no more > > > > > problems. > > > > > > > > > > And George was nothing but helpful in getting the problems sorted > > out - > > > > > even sending me a free replacement relay when I insisted that I > > thought > > > > > the problem was in there (George said it would be the reed from the > > > > > start - should've listened). > > > > > > > > > > Ian > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: Capt JT [mailto:captjt@mi*.co*] > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Jim > > > > > > I will not say the scooters are not fun and do not get the job > done. > > > > > What > > > > > > happen was 2 of the scooters would stick on or not come on. George > > > > > said to > > > > > > rotate the reed switch, this worked for one. The other would still > > > > > stick > > > > > > on, I told the guy he had a bad switch or something. We also found > > > > > that > > > > > > the > > > > > > latch was placed right over the switch and if you unclipped it the > > > > > scooter > > > > > > would finally cut off. The only thing we could figure was that the > > > > > > pressure > > > > > > from the latch was distorting the reed switch. The guy email > this to > > > > > > George > > > > > > and George pounded him on "How the hell is the water pressure doing > > > > > that", > > > > > > some kind of communication break down happened and the guy didn't > > want > > > > > to > > > > > > get pounded by G again, so I told him to just tell G to send > another > > > > > > switch > > > > > > and just pay for it. That fixed the problem. > > > > > > > > > > > > The clutches are a separate issue, I do not think anyone knew they > > > > > would > > > > > > be > > > > > > getting a cheap clutch or that there was a different one that G > > uses. > > > > > All > > > > > > the guys saw was the one that Cobb got and it worked fine, the > > > > > following > > > > > > ones had minor problems, one ran backwards....... I did not even > > know > > > > > > about > > > > > > the scooters needing a better clutch and one would think that G > > would > > > > > not > > > > > > even offer them to anyone with less than the best parts. > > > > > > > > > > > > Rodney no longer puts the slower motor in his because of the > > posting > > > > > I > > > > > > put out on how slow Christina's was. Now the buyer will only > get the > > > > > best > > > > > > and does not have an option, G needs to do the same thing so the > > buyer > > > > > > does > > > > > > not feel short changed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to > > `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. > > > > > Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to > > `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. > > > > > > > >-- > > > >Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. > > > >Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. > > > > > > > > > "You can't learn to dive on the net, sooner or later you have to get in > > the > > > water" > > > Your Guide to Great Wreck Diving along the East Coast & more > > > Web Site http://www.capt-jt.com/ > > > Email captjt@mi*.co* > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: quest-unsubscribe@gu*.co* > > For additional commands, e-mail: quest-help@gu*.co* > > "You can't learn to dive on the net, sooner or later you have to get in the water" Your Guide to Great Wreck Diving along the East Coast & more Web Site http://www.capt-jt.com/ Email captjt@mi*.co* -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. 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