There is no ghost writer, you know who I am...........What you don't know 
is I told those close in our group about the way the dive went. How I 
wasn't even told the wreck was in protected waters and how someone tried to 
give me an artifact underwater and I would not take it. I had just sent up 
my scooter that had imploded and did not want anything. It was not until I 
got on the boat and was told about being in protected waters and not to say 
anything. The artifacts were placed in bags so they could be taken off the 
boat at the dock and no one to see. I really don't care, it just goes to 
show everyone on these list who is really telling the truth on here.

  In order to blackmail someone you need to ask for something, I don't want 
shit. All you guys claim to be perfect and I just keep busting that bubble 
with the facts.........






At 07:46 PM 7/31/02 -0700, Joe wrote:
>What happened on this post?
>
>Did you fire the Ghost Writer?
>
>I don't know what it is you are trying to say but I will attempt to decipher
>it as best I can.
>
> >>>but I do think you were on a nightdive I did
>
>I was on the boat but didn't dive.
>
> >>>I have answer the deco line on a another post to LL.
>
>A sentence must express a complete thought.
>
> >>>I have not heard anything from the guys you cc about the taking of
> >>> artifacts from wrecks in protected waters, is that legal and just
> >>>morally wrong?
>
>They all answered me privately saying you were to stupid to deal with.
>I'm beginning to see their point.
>
>Regards.
>
>Joe
>
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Capt JT" <captjt@mi*.co*>
>To: "Joe" <joe@po*.co*>; "wendell grogan" <docgrog@ya*.de*>; "Jim
>Cobb" <cobber@ci*.co*>; "Christian Gerzner"
><christiang@in*.co*.au*>
>Cc: <techdiver@aquanaut.com>; <AUE@mi*.ne*>
>Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 2:06 PM
>Subject: Re: VBTech vs. Nova Tech
>
>
> > Hi Joe you are correct, we have never dived together, but I do think you
> > were on a nightdive I did. I have answer the deco line on a another post
>to
> > LL. I have not heard anything from the guys you cc about the taking of
> > artifacts from wrecks in protected waters, is that legal and just morally
> > wrong?
> >
> >
> > At 06:37 PM 7/30/02 -0700, Joe wrote:
> > >Hi JT:
> > >
> > >  >>>I was wondering, do any of you guys get separated in the current
> > > >>>doing drifting deco
> > >
> > >No.  Not if you all leave the wreck together.
> > >
> > > >>>or leave anyone alone in the water to deco by themselves.
> > >
> > >In years past we would leave after the 10' stop.  I personally would stay
> > >with whomever I buddied with (we pick one person out of the group with
>whom
> > >we buddy) but would leave when he and I finished.  If someone else
>appeared
> > >to be OK and gave the OK sign I would leave, my reason being that many
> > >divers do far more deco than is necessary and I don't like staying on the
> > >high ppO2's more than I have to.  However, after witnessing someone leave
> > >deco OK, surface, swim a bit and then convulse, I have seriously
>rethought
> > >that practice and leave NO one in the water alone, even a total stranger.
> > >
> > > >>> was on a deep dive once and got left in the water by myself while
> >>>the
> > >rest went up to the boat to look at the artifacts they had >>>recovered
>off
> > >the wreck. Being left in the water is really bad, but >>>when I found out
> > >the wreck was protected and told to keep my >>>mouth shut, I even got a
> > >worse feeling about diving with those guys.
> > >
> > >Since you and I have never been in the water together, I don't quite know
> > >what you are alluding to.  I would, however, have to agree that it is
>wrong
> > >to knowingly take artifacts off a protected wreck.  That is almost as bad
>as
> > >spearing lobsters or scrubbing egg laden females.  I will cc this to
>those
> > >who did dive with you and see if they wish to comment.
> > >
> > >But this thread is about drifting vs. anchor diving.  The real issue is
>that
> > >you can anchor dive with no fundamental skills so long as you can hang on
> > >for dear life.  The problems begin when you get blown off the deco line
>and
> > >can't do your deco because you have no fundamental skills.
> > >
> > >Divers can cover their inadequacies for many years hanging on the deco
>line
> > >for dear life.  When they get blown off and do not have the requisite
>skills
> > >to complete their dive they get into trouble and wind up bent or even
>worse.
> > >In summary, like most other things in life, the path to the sky is built
>on
> > >the fundamental building blocks of hard work and training, not on hot air
> > >balloons.
> > >
> > >Regards.
> > >
> > >Joe
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: "Capt JT" <captjt@mi*.co*>
> > >To: "Joe" <joe@po*.co*>; "wendell grogan" <docgrog@ya*.de*>;
>"Jim
> > >Cobb" <cobber@ci*.co*>; "Christian Gerzner"
> > ><christiang@in*.co*.au*>
> > >Cc: <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
> > >Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 12:45 PM
> > >Subject: Re: VBTech vs. Nova Tech
> > >
> > >
> > > > At 10:25 PM 7/29/02 -0700, Joe wrote:
> > > > >We routinely put 5 to 10 divers on deep wrecks in ripping currents
>and
> > > > >everyone hits the wreck and there are no CF's.  It isn't difficult to
>do
> > >so.
> > > > >All it takes is basic, fundamental skills.  Pun intended.
> > > >
> > > > I was wondering, do any of you guys get separated in the current doing
> > > > drifting deco or leave anyone alone in the water to deco by
>themselves. I
> > > > was on a deep dive once and got left in the water by myself while the
>rest
> > > > went up to the boat to look at the artifacts they had recovered
> > > > off the wreck. Being left in the water is really bad, but when I found
>out
> > > > the wreck was protected and told to keep my mouth shut, I even got a
>worse
> > > > feeling about diving with those guys.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >Regards to all.
> > > > >
> > > > >Joe
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > > >From: "wendell grogan" <docgrog@ya*.de*>
> > > > >To: "Jim Cobb" <cobber@ci*.co*>; "Christian Gerzner"
> > > > ><christiang@in*.co*.au*>
> > > > >Cc: <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
> > > > >Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 7:43 AM
> > > > >Subject: Re: VBTech vs. Nova Tech
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Just before this latest tiff started, I had been
> > > > > > getting a lot of very interesting information (off
> > > > > > list) on how things are done in the British Isles.
> > > > > > They do this (drift deco after dive bombing the wreck)
> > > > > > as a matter of routine, but there is quite a bit to
> > > > > > consider and a number of new skills to be practiced
> > > > > > for this to come out right.
> > > > > > I was also thinking about the advantages last weekend
> > > > > > while doing my 20 foot stop along with what seemed
> > > > > > like a cast of thousands, the boat bucking in rollers
> > > > > > perpendicular to the slight current and helping out my
> > > > > > buddy with a leaking back up reg hose...
> > > > > > Basic Anglo-Saxon words regarding various bodily
> > > > > > functions kept going through my mind, but the
> > > > > > conclusion seems to be that we should start doing this
> > > > > > here in the North Atlantic US.
> > > > > > The problems are inertia and a lack of
> > > > > > experience/training that would make it a matter of
> > > > > > routine for most if not all dives.  Also, since the
> > > > > > thing that drives the industry is people who are
> > > > > > either taking or just finishing AOW going on shallow
> > > > > > wreck dives, finding a boat operator who wants to run
> > > > > > the training dives on what would normally be their
> > > > > > milk run wrecks, is going to be tough.
> > > > > > Wendell
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- Jim Cobb <cobber@ci*.co*> wrote:
> > > > > > > This leads back to the basic question: What do you
> > > > > > > require to be on your
> > > > > > > diveboat before you go out on it? George knows this
> > > > > > > situation with
> > > > > > > chaseboats and his solution, which costs the dive
> > > > > > > operations nothing but
> > > > > > > some fuel and inconvinence, is to not anchor to a
> > > > > > > wreck during a dive.
> > > > > > > Problem solved. No chaseboat needed, no deployment
> > > > > > > issues.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Jim
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
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