You guys don't get it do you, I don't care what you say about me. I do not 
hide behind false truths, I do not take from protected wrecks, I do not 
lie.......... I do not say one thing and then do something else in person. 
I found it real funny how 2 guys accused each other of taking the missing 
artifacts off a protected wreck when I saw both do the same thing off 
another wreck in protected waters.

You tell me who the real scum bags are?




   At 07:36 PM 7/31/02 -0700, Joe wrote:
>  >>>>But they all now know you guys dirty little secret and it will get
> >>>>around.........
>
>JT, you are a pathetic, dirty little man - alot like a peeping Tom with a
>camera attempting to blackmail people.  The true hallmark of a scumbag.
>
>These lists are supposed to be for the betterment of the sport, not about
>your personal and petty axe to grind.
>
>You are extremely dangerous because you promote yourself as an expert, when
>in fact you an incompetent diver.  By your own public admission you washed
>out of a Fundamentals course which is not much more than PADI 101 with no
>cheating allowed.  Then you publicly announce doing a 380' dive, the
>implication being that you don't need basic skills to do these dives.
>People read this stuff and think, "If he can do it, so can I."  Reality is
>that nothing could be further from the truth.  You have been lucky but one
>day your ego will bite you in the ass.
>
>You pride yourself on publicly announcing your numerous CF's and yet you
>refuse to correct your ways thinking that as along as you announce your
>stupidity to the world it is OK to keep doing the same dumb things over and
>over.  Confession may be good for the soul but it doesn't do jack in diving
>unless you amend your ways.
>
>Your pompous comment about being the only one on your Doria trip capable of
>tying into the wreck was hilarious.  Any one of our group could hit that
>thing with a drop from Pompano.  Sheesh - it's only the size of a skyscraper
>under water.
>
>JT, I would really like to be able to say that although we disagree on some
>diving issues you are a nice guy.  But I can't.  You callously and
>irresponsibly misrepresent your abilities to people and present yourself  as
>some form of expert when the truth is just the opposite.  Your sordid
>attempt to cloud the issue of your incompetitance with some unrelated
>artifact crap is really sickening.   FYI, if you were there and something
>was in fact wrong or illegal you were part of it and just as guilty as
>anyone else.  As a matter of fact, you are far worse because while you
>purport to be on this high moral plane you are in reality a blackmailer.  An
>inept and stupid one, but no matter how you look at it, blackmail is what
>you are attempting.  If you have pictures or whatever, go ahead and post
>them because no one really cares.  Knock yourself out.  In the end you will
>look like an even bigger ass than you do right now.
>
>Grandstanding in an attempt to prevent what is probably a nice group of
>people (VB Tech) from learning safer, more efficient methods of diving so
>that you can be their "hero" and leader is quite sickening.  I am sure they
>are an intelligent bunch so it is just a matter of time before they find you
>out.
>
>By the way, since you hired the ghost writer your posts sound almost
>coherent.
>
>Regards.
>
>Joe
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Capt JT" <captjt@mi*.co*>
>To: "Joe" <joe@po*.co*>; "wendell grogan" <docgrog@ya*.de*>; "Jim
>Cobb" <cobber@ci*.co*>; "Christian Gerzner"
><christiang@in*.co*.au*>
>Cc: <techdiver@aquanaut.com>; <AUE@mi*.ne*>
>Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 11:53 AM
>Subject: Re: VBTech vs. Nova Tech
>
>
> > I doubt you will get anyone to admit to taking artifacts off a wreck that
> > is in protected waters, but you, I , and the new email address you added
> > know this happened and exactly as I say. The proof is in the
> > photos......... I see you have not approved your post since I brought this
> > up and you are the only one who was not there, but know it is true. I will
> > not approve mine unless I see yours or any of these bystanders reply with
>a
> > post. But they all now know you guys dirty little secret and it will get
> > around.........
> >
> >
> >
> >   At 06:37 PM 7/30/02 -0700, Joe wrote:
> > >Hi JT:
> > >
> > >  >>>I was wondering, do any of you guys get separated in the current
> > > >>>doing drifting deco
> > >
> > >No.  Not if you all leave the wreck together.
> > >
> > > >>>or leave anyone alone in the water to deco by themselves.
> > >
> > >In years past we would leave after the 10' stop.  I personally would stay
> > >with whomever I buddied with (we pick one person out of the group with
>whom
> > >we buddy) but would leave when he and I finished.  If someone else
>appeared
> > >to be OK and gave the OK sign I would leave, my reason being that many
> > >divers do far more deco than is necessary and I don't like staying on the
> > >high ppO2's more than I have to.  However, after witnessing someone leave
> > >deco OK, surface, swim a bit and then convulse, I have seriously
>rethought
> > >that practice and leave NO one in the water alone, even a total stranger.
> > >
> > > >>> was on a deep dive once and got left in the water by myself while
> >>>the
> > >rest went up to the boat to look at the artifacts they had >>>recovered
>off
> > >the wreck. Being left in the water is really bad, but >>>when I found out
> > >the wreck was protected and told to keep my >>>mouth shut, I even got a
> > >worse feeling about diving with those guys.
> > >
> > >Since you and I have never been in the water together, I don't quite know
> > >what you are alluding to.  I would, however, have to agree that it is
>wrong
> > >to knowingly take artifacts off a protected wreck.  That is almost as bad
>as
> > >spearing lobsters or scrubbing egg laden females.  I will cc this to
>those
> > >who did dive with you and see if they wish to comment.
> > >
> > >But this thread is about drifting vs. anchor diving.  The real issue is
>that
> > >you can anchor dive with no fundamental skills so long as you can hang on
> > >for dear life.  The problems begin when you get blown off the deco line
>and
> > >can't do your deco because you have no fundamental skills.
> > >
> > >Divers can cover their inadequacies for many years hanging on the deco
>line
> > >for dear life.  When they get blown off and do not have the requisite
>skills
> > >to complete their dive they get into trouble and wind up bent or even
>worse.
> > >In summary, like most other things in life, the path to the sky is built
>on
> > >the fundamental building blocks of hard work and training, not on hot air
> > >balloons.
> > >
> > >Regards.
> > >
> > >Joe
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: "Capt JT" <captjt@mi*.co*>
> > >To: "Joe" <joe@po*.co*>; "wendell grogan" <docgrog@ya*.de*>;
>"Jim
> > >Cobb" <cobber@ci*.co*>; "Christian Gerzner"
> > ><christiang@in*.co*.au*>
> > >Cc: <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
> > >Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 12:45 PM
> > >Subject: Re: VBTech vs. Nova Tech
> > >
> > >
> > > > At 10:25 PM 7/29/02 -0700, Joe wrote:
> > > > >We routinely put 5 to 10 divers on deep wrecks in ripping currents
>and
> > > > >everyone hits the wreck and there are no CF's.  It isn't difficult to
>do
> > >so.
> > > > >All it takes is basic, fundamental skills.  Pun intended.
> > > >
> > > > I was wondering, do any of you guys get separated in the current doing
> > > > drifting deco or leave anyone alone in the water to deco by
>themselves. I
> > > > was on a deep dive once and got left in the water by myself while the
>rest
> > > > went up to the boat to look at the artifacts they had recovered
> > > > off the wreck. Being left in the water is really bad, but when I found
>out
> > > > the wreck was protected and told to keep my mouth shut, I even got a
>worse
> > > > feeling about diving with those guys.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >Regards to all.
> > > > >
> > > > >Joe
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > > >From: "wendell grogan" <docgrog@ya*.de*>
> > > > >To: "Jim Cobb" <cobber@ci*.co*>; "Christian Gerzner"
> > > > ><christiang@in*.co*.au*>
> > > > >Cc: <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
> > > > >Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 7:43 AM
> > > > >Subject: Re: VBTech vs. Nova Tech
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Just before this latest tiff started, I had been
> > > > > > getting a lot of very interesting information (off
> > > > > > list) on how things are done in the British Isles.
> > > > > > They do this (drift deco after dive bombing the wreck)
> > > > > > as a matter of routine, but there is quite a bit to
> > > > > > consider and a number of new skills to be practiced
> > > > > > for this to come out right.
> > > > > > I was also thinking about the advantages last weekend
> > > > > > while doing my 20 foot stop along with what seemed
> > > > > > like a cast of thousands, the boat bucking in rollers
> > > > > > perpendicular to the slight current and helping out my
> > > > > > buddy with a leaking back up reg hose...
> > > > > > Basic Anglo-Saxon words regarding various bodily
> > > > > > functions kept going through my mind, but the
> > > > > > conclusion seems to be that we should start doing this
> > > > > > here in the North Atlantic US.
> > > > > > The problems are inertia and a lack of
> > > > > > experience/training that would make it a matter of
> > > > > > routine for most if not all dives.  Also, since the
> > > > > > thing that drives the industry is people who are
> > > > > > either taking or just finishing AOW going on shallow
> > > > > > wreck dives, finding a boat operator who wants to run
> > > > > > the training dives on what would normally be their
> > > > > > milk run wrecks, is going to be tough.
> > > > > > Wendell
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- Jim Cobb <cobber@ci*.co*> wrote:
> > > > > > > This leads back to the basic question: What do you
> > > > > > > require to be on your
> > > > > > > diveboat before you go out on it? George knows this
> > > > > > > situation with
> > > > > > > chaseboats and his solution, which costs the dive
> > > > > > > operations nothing but
> > > > > > > some fuel and inconvinence, is to not anchor to a
> > > > > > > wreck during a dive.
> > > > > > > Problem solved. No chaseboat needed, no deployment
> > > > > > > issues.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Jim
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
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