Hi Joe you are correct, we have never dived together, but I do think you 
were on a nightdive I did. I have answer the deco line on a another post to 
LL. I have not heard anything from the guys you cc about the taking of 
artifacts from wrecks in protected waters, is that legal and just morally 
wrong?


At 06:37 PM 7/30/02 -0700, Joe wrote:
>Hi JT:
>
>  >>>I was wondering, do any of you guys get separated in the current
> >>>doing drifting deco
>
>No.  Not if you all leave the wreck together.
>
> >>>or leave anyone alone in the water to deco by themselves.
>
>In years past we would leave after the 10' stop.  I personally would stay
>with whomever I buddied with (we pick one person out of the group with whom
>we buddy) but would leave when he and I finished.  If someone else appeared
>to be OK and gave the OK sign I would leave, my reason being that many
>divers do far more deco than is necessary and I don't like staying on the
>high ppO2's more than I have to.  However, after witnessing someone leave
>deco OK, surface, swim a bit and then convulse, I have seriously rethought
>that practice and leave NO one in the water alone, even a total stranger.
>
> >>> was on a deep dive once and got left in the water by myself while >>>the
>rest went up to the boat to look at the artifacts they had >>>recovered off
>the wreck. Being left in the water is really bad, but >>>when I found out
>the wreck was protected and told to keep my >>>mouth shut, I even got a
>worse feeling about diving with those guys.
>
>Since you and I have never been in the water together, I don't quite know
>what you are alluding to.  I would, however, have to agree that it is wrong
>to knowingly take artifacts off a protected wreck.  That is almost as bad as
>spearing lobsters or scrubbing egg laden females.  I will cc this to those
>who did dive with you and see if they wish to comment.
>
>But this thread is about drifting vs. anchor diving.  The real issue is that
>you can anchor dive with no fundamental skills so long as you can hang on
>for dear life.  The problems begin when you get blown off the deco line and
>can't do your deco because you have no fundamental skills.
>
>Divers can cover their inadequacies for many years hanging on the deco line
>for dear life.  When they get blown off and do not have the requisite skills
>to complete their dive they get into trouble and wind up bent or even worse.
>In summary, like most other things in life, the path to the sky is built on
>the fundamental building blocks of hard work and training, not on hot air
>balloons.
>
>Regards.
>
>Joe
>
>
>
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Capt JT" <captjt@mi*.co*>
>To: "Joe" <joe@po*.co*>; "wendell grogan" <docgrog@ya*.de*>; "Jim
>Cobb" <cobber@ci*.co*>; "Christian Gerzner"
><christiang@in*.co*.au*>
>Cc: <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
>Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 12:45 PM
>Subject: Re: VBTech vs. Nova Tech
>
>
> > At 10:25 PM 7/29/02 -0700, Joe wrote:
> > >We routinely put 5 to 10 divers on deep wrecks in ripping currents and
> > >everyone hits the wreck and there are no CF's.  It isn't difficult to do
>so.
> > >All it takes is basic, fundamental skills.  Pun intended.
> >
> > I was wondering, do any of you guys get separated in the current doing
> > drifting deco or leave anyone alone in the water to deco by themselves. I
> > was on a deep dive once and got left in the water by myself while the rest
> > went up to the boat to look at the artifacts they had recovered
> > off the wreck. Being left in the water is really bad, but when I found out
> > the wreck was protected and told to keep my mouth shut, I even got a worse
> > feeling about diving with those guys.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >Regards to all.
> > >
> > >Joe
> > >
> > >
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: "wendell grogan" <docgrog@ya*.de*>
> > >To: "Jim Cobb" <cobber@ci*.co*>; "Christian Gerzner"
> > ><christiang@in*.co*.au*>
> > >Cc: <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
> > >Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 7:43 AM
> > >Subject: Re: VBTech vs. Nova Tech
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Just before this latest tiff started, I had been
> > > > getting a lot of very interesting information (off
> > > > list) on how things are done in the British Isles.
> > > > They do this (drift deco after dive bombing the wreck)
> > > > as a matter of routine, but there is quite a bit to
> > > > consider and a number of new skills to be practiced
> > > > for this to come out right.
> > > > I was also thinking about the advantages last weekend
> > > > while doing my 20 foot stop along with what seemed
> > > > like a cast of thousands, the boat bucking in rollers
> > > > perpendicular to the slight current and helping out my
> > > > buddy with a leaking back up reg hose...
> > > > Basic Anglo-Saxon words regarding various bodily
> > > > functions kept going through my mind, but the
> > > > conclusion seems to be that we should start doing this
> > > > here in the North Atlantic US.
> > > > The problems are inertia and a lack of
> > > > experience/training that would make it a matter of
> > > > routine for most if not all dives.  Also, since the
> > > > thing that drives the industry is people who are
> > > > either taking or just finishing AOW going on shallow
> > > > wreck dives, finding a boat operator who wants to run
> > > > the training dives on what would normally be their
> > > > milk run wrecks, is going to be tough.
> > > > Wendell
> > > >
> > > > --- Jim Cobb <cobber@ci*.co*> wrote:
> > > > > This leads back to the basic question: What do you
> > > > > require to be on your
> > > > > diveboat before you go out on it? George knows this
> > > > > situation with
> > > > > chaseboats and his solution, which costs the dive
> > > > > operations nothing but
> > > > > some fuel and inconvinence, is to not anchor to a
> > > > > wreck during a dive.
> > > > > Problem solved. No chaseboat needed, no deployment
> > > > > issues.
> > > > >
> > > > > Jim
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
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