Hi JT:

 >>>I was wondering, do any of you guys get separated in the current
>>>doing drifting deco

No.  Not if you all leave the wreck together.

>>>or leave anyone alone in the water to deco by themselves.

In years past we would leave after the 10' stop.  I personally would stay
with whomever I buddied with (we pick one person out of the group with whom
we buddy) but would leave when he and I finished.  If someone else appeared
to be OK and gave the OK sign I would leave, my reason being that many
divers do far more deco than is necessary and I don't like staying on the
high ppO2's more than I have to.  However, after witnessing someone leave
deco OK, surface, swim a bit and then convulse, I have seriously rethought
that practice and leave NO one in the water alone, even a total stranger.

>>> was on a deep dive once and got left in the water by myself while >>>the
rest went up to the boat to look at the artifacts they had >>>recovered off
the wreck. Being left in the water is really bad, but >>>when I found out
the wreck was protected and told to keep my >>>mouth shut, I even got a
worse feeling about diving with those guys.

Since you and I have never been in the water together, I don't quite know
what you are alluding to.  I would, however, have to agree that it is wrong
to knowingly take artifacts off a protected wreck.  That is almost as bad as
spearing lobsters or scrubbing egg laden females.  I will cc this to those
who did dive with you and see if they wish to comment.

But this thread is about drifting vs. anchor diving.  The real issue is that
you can anchor dive with no fundamental skills so long as you can hang on
for dear life.  The problems begin when you get blown off the deco line and
can't do your deco because you have no fundamental skills.

Divers can cover their inadequacies for many years hanging on the deco line
for dear life.  When they get blown off and do not have the requisite skills
to complete their dive they get into trouble and wind up bent or even worse.
In summary, like most other things in life, the path to the sky is built on
the fundamental building blocks of hard work and training, not on hot air
balloons.

Regards.

Joe





----- Original Message -----
From: "Capt JT" <captjt@mi*.co*>
To: "Joe" <joe@po*.co*>; "wendell grogan" <docgrog@ya*.de*>; "Jim
Cobb" <cobber@ci*.co*>; "Christian Gerzner"
<christiang@in*.co*.au*>
Cc: <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 12:45 PM
Subject: Re: VBTech vs. Nova Tech


> At 10:25 PM 7/29/02 -0700, Joe wrote:
> >We routinely put 5 to 10 divers on deep wrecks in ripping currents and
> >everyone hits the wreck and there are no CF's.  It isn't difficult to do
so.
> >All it takes is basic, fundamental skills.  Pun intended.
>
> I was wondering, do any of you guys get separated in the current doing
> drifting deco or leave anyone alone in the water to deco by themselves. I
> was on a deep dive once and got left in the water by myself while the rest
> went up to the boat to look at the artifacts they had recovered
> off the wreck. Being left in the water is really bad, but when I found out
> the wreck was protected and told to keep my mouth shut, I even got a worse
> feeling about diving with those guys.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >Regards to all.
> >
> >Joe
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "wendell grogan" <docgrog@ya*.de*>
> >To: "Jim Cobb" <cobber@ci*.co*>; "Christian Gerzner"
> ><christiang@in*.co*.au*>
> >Cc: <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
> >Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 7:43 AM
> >Subject: Re: VBTech vs. Nova Tech
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Just before this latest tiff started, I had been
> > > getting a lot of very interesting information (off
> > > list) on how things are done in the British Isles.
> > > They do this (drift deco after dive bombing the wreck)
> > > as a matter of routine, but there is quite a bit to
> > > consider and a number of new skills to be practiced
> > > for this to come out right.
> > > I was also thinking about the advantages last weekend
> > > while doing my 20 foot stop along with what seemed
> > > like a cast of thousands, the boat bucking in rollers
> > > perpendicular to the slight current and helping out my
> > > buddy with a leaking back up reg hose...
> > > Basic Anglo-Saxon words regarding various bodily
> > > functions kept going through my mind, but the
> > > conclusion seems to be that we should start doing this
> > > here in the North Atlantic US.
> > > The problems are inertia and a lack of
> > > experience/training that would make it a matter of
> > > routine for most if not all dives.  Also, since the
> > > thing that drives the industry is people who are
> > > either taking or just finishing AOW going on shallow
> > > wreck dives, finding a boat operator who wants to run
> > > the training dives on what would normally be their
> > > milk run wrecks, is going to be tough.
> > > Wendell
> > >
> > > --- Jim Cobb <cobber@ci*.co*> wrote:
> > > > This leads back to the basic question: What do you
> > > > require to be on your
> > > > diveboat before you go out on it? George knows this
> > > > situation with
> > > > chaseboats and his solution, which costs the dive
> > > > operations nothing but
> > > > some fuel and inconvinence, is to not anchor to a
> > > > wreck during a dive.
> > > > Problem solved. No chaseboat needed, no deployment
> > > > issues.
> > > >
> > > > Jim
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
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