Guys, the solution is real simple.  You ask how much to charter the boat and
fill it with your own people.  Then you tell the Captain what you want done
and how you want it.  If he says no you find someone who will do as you
wish.

I don't buy that they won't do it because they are business men.  When they
see they are losing $$$$ they will give you what you want.  We did it here
in Fla. on many occasions.  We show up with our own line, grapple and float
and set up the dive ourselves.   When the operator comes up with something
stupid we just walk away.  Ironically, once they get over the initial
resistance,  most of them love to have us on board because the dives go
smooth and easy and there is minimal work for them.

As far as learning to drift dive, it all goes back to basics.  If you have
no buoyancy control you don't belong on these dives.  If you can maintain
buoyancy, you can drift dive.  If you can't do a drifting deco using nothing
but a depth gauge, you have no business doing these dives.  (Not to say that
you should ever deliberately dive with no line but you should be capable of
doing your whole deco with nothing but a depth gauge.)  The real problem is
that everyone wants to skip the learning process and jump from Padi OW to
Trimix in 2 years.

We routinely put 5 to 10 divers on deep wrecks in ripping currents and
everyone hits the wreck and there are no CF's.  It isn't difficult to do so.
All it takes is basic, fundamental skills.  Pun intended.

Regards to all.

Joe


----- Original Message -----
From: "wendell grogan" <docgrog@ya*.de*>
To: "Jim Cobb" <cobber@ci*.co*>; "Christian Gerzner"
<christiang@in*.co*.au*>
Cc: <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 7:43 AM
Subject: Re: VBTech vs. Nova Tech


>
> Just before this latest tiff started, I had been
> getting a lot of very interesting information (off
> list) on how things are done in the British Isles.
> They do this (drift deco after dive bombing the wreck)
> as a matter of routine, but there is quite a bit to
> consider and a number of new skills to be practiced
> for this to come out right.
> I was also thinking about the advantages last weekend
> while doing my 20 foot stop along with what seemed
> like a cast of thousands, the boat bucking in rollers
> perpendicular to the slight current and helping out my
> buddy with a leaking back up reg hose...
> Basic Anglo-Saxon words regarding various bodily
> functions kept going through my mind, but the
> conclusion seems to be that we should start doing this
> here in the North Atlantic US.
> The problems are inertia and a lack of
> experience/training that would make it a matter of
> routine for most if not all dives.  Also, since the
> thing that drives the industry is people who are
> either taking or just finishing AOW going on shallow
> wreck dives, finding a boat operator who wants to run
> the training dives on what would normally be their
> milk run wrecks, is going to be tough.
> Wendell
>
> --- Jim Cobb <cobber@ci*.co*> wrote:
> > This leads back to the basic question: What do you
> > require to be on your
> > diveboat before you go out on it? George knows this
> > situation with
> > chaseboats and his solution, which costs the dive
> > operations nothing but
> > some fuel and inconvinence, is to not anchor to a
> > wreck during a dive.
> > Problem solved. No chaseboat needed, no deployment
> > issues.
> >
> > Jim
> >
> >
>
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