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--part1_132.114c6623.2a70c2d2_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Wow!, First off, no it is neither normal nor legal for the only licensed operator onboard to leave the vessel period. I'd file a complaint with the USCG if the mate had no Masters license (Mates license doesn't cut it, but on a small boat that left on a trip over 12 hrs, he probably holds a 100 ton masters, if the trip was over 12hrs, and he didn't have at least a Mate's, that's another MAJOR violation). If the trip was over 12 hrs, the Captain is entitled (actually required) sleep as he's not allowed more than 12 hrs duty per day, therefore the second license, mates license covers the sleep, but not leaving the vessel. The mate nor anyone else should be afraid to wake the Captain. I make it very clear to any and all my crew if you even start to think maybe I should be woke up, it is NOW time to wake me up, I will never bitch at a crew member for waking me with a pertinent question or information no matter how silly it seems when settled. If something out of the ordinary or slightly hazardous is happening, I demand to know about it. Personnaly on a trip like you're talking about, I'll take the boat from the Dock to the seabouy, hand it to the mate there, and nap on the dayberth in the wheelhouse with instructions to wake me for any questionable traffic or conditions, or when we get 20 min from location, at that point I'll have a cup of coffee, inspect the deck and engine room and then take the vessel for mooring operations, once that's complete I give whatever briefing may be required and observe divers and operations as well as the water for signs of things going wrong. When all diver are up, and a team FROM THE BOAT CREW breaks the wreck loose and secures the deck, I get the vessel back underway for the seabouy, hand over the conn to the mate, check the engine room and grab my nap spot back with the same orders as on the way out and wake me 20 min prior to the seabouy, where I get up, check the engine room, coffee, back on the helm and bring the boat to the dock. You were very correct in your assesment of what should have happened. The mate should have woke the master, they should have launched the rescue boat (it definitely should have a radio with it) with an operator and a safety diver with backup gas ready to go. I have a hard time believing they had you handling lines, that's not right. On a 67 mile (each way) trip on the average dive boat, that's going to be a greater than twelve hour trip, this means a crew of 4 minimum, 2 licensed operators, and 2 deckhands. On a small boat (anything under 120') with that crew, no passenger should ever have to handle a line, and I would never allow a passenger to do the tie in or break away, no way, that's the crews job, we're insured for that, if some passenger got hurt doing ships work, the Coast Guard would have my ass. If a mate would ever fail to inform me of something like spotting lift bags, that would be his last day, same for the other two who should be watching out, I demand to know all of that kind of stuff immediately. I don't know what's going on around there, but there seems to be a lack of proffessionalism among operators in the industry. It's amazing the record is as good as it is. In a message dated 7/24/2002 8:47:04 PM Central Daylight Time, toddclagett1@ea*.ne* writes: > I looked down to see the Daltons gather their own scooter and then my wreck > reel. Allyson and I concentrated on each other during the ascent and did > our light deco. I noticed throughout the ascent that the Dalton's were > conspicuously absent. I was concerned that they had gotten off of the > line. > Allyson boarded the boat before me, but I quickly followed. I asked the > mate if he saw a lift bag as soon as I got on board and he said there was > one off of the stern. I informed him that it was the Daltons and that he > should get the Zodiac to pick them up. He looked at me like I was an > idiot, so I asked him how long the bag was there. He said about 10 min. I > asked if he had informed the captain. He said no. I started yelling at > him and we exchanged words. By this time Allyson was out of her gear and > went to the pilot house to WAKE UP the captain. That's right I said wake > up the captain (argue that one JT). I guess the captain was a little tired > from his solo dive to 118 feet and needed a nap. Is it normal practice for > the only qualified captain on board to do a dive 67 miles out in the Ocean > with a boat full of divers? Is it normal practice for him to sleep while > divers are doing decompression? I guess the mate was scared to wake him > up. > --part1_132.114c6623.2a70c2d2_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2>Wow!, First off, no it is neither normal nor legal for the only licensed operator onboard to leave the vessel period. I'd file a complaint with the USCG if the mate had no Masters license (Mates license doesn't cut it, but on a small boat that left on a trip over 12 hrs, he probably holds a 100 ton masters, if the trip was over 12hrs, and he didn't have at least a Mate's, that's another MAJOR violation). If the trip was over 12 hrs, the Captain is entitled (actually required) sleep as he's not allowed more than 12 hrs duty per day, therefore the second license, mates license covers the sleep, but not leaving the vessel. The mate nor anyone else should be afraid to wake the Captain. I make it very clear to any and all my crew if you even start to think maybe I should be woke up, it is NOW time to wake me up, I will never bitch at a crew member for waking me with a pertinent question or information no matter how silly it seems when settled. If something out of the ordinary or slightly hazardous is happening, I demand to know about it. Personnaly on a trip like you're talking about, I'll take the boat from the Dock to the seabouy, hand it to the mate there, and nap on the dayberth in the wheelhouse with instructions to wake me for any questionable traffic or conditions, or when we get 20 min from location, at that point I'll have a cup of coffee, inspect the deck and engine room and then take the vessel for mooring operations, once that's complete I give whatever briefing may be required and observe divers and operations as well as the water for signs of things going wrong. When all diver are up, and a team FROM THE BOAT CREW breaks the wreck loose and secures the deck, I get the vessel back underway for the seabouy, hand over the conn to the mate, check the engine room and grab my nap spot back with the same orders as on the way out and wake me 20 min prior to the seabouy, where I get up, check the engine room, coffee, back on the helm and bring the boat to the dock.<BR> <BR> You were very correct in your assesment of what should have happened. The mate should have woke the master, they should have launched the rescue boat (it definitely should have a radio with it) with an operator and a safety diver with backup gas ready to go. I have a hard time believing they had you handling lines, that's not right. On a 67 mile (each way) trip on the average dive boat, that's going to be a greater than twelve hour trip, this means a crew of 4 minimum, 2 licensed operators, and 2 deckhands. On a small boat (anything under 120') with that crew, no passenger should ever have to handle a line, and I would never allow a passenger to do the tie in or break away, no way, that's the crews job, we're insured for that, if some passenger got hurt doing ships work, the Coast Guard would have my ass. If a mate would ever fail to inform me of something like spotting lift bags, that would be his last day, same for the other two who should be watching out, I demand to know all of that kind of stuff immediately.<BR> <BR> I don't know what's going on around there, but there seems to be a lack of proffessionalism among operators in the industry. It's amazing the record is as good as it is.<BR> <BR> In a message dated 7/24/2002 8:47:04 PM Central Daylight Time, toddclagett1@ea*.ne* writes:<BR> <BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">I looked down to see the Daltons gather their own scooter and then my wreck reel. Allyson and I concentrated on each other during the ascent and did our light deco. I noticed throughout the ascent that the Dalton's were conspicuously absent. I was concerned that they had gotten off of the line. </FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"> <BR> </FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">Allyson boarded the boat before me, but I quickly followed. I asked the mate if he saw a lift bag as soon as I got on board and he said there was one off of the stern. I informed him that it was the Daltons and that he should get the Zodiac to pick them up. He looked at me like I was an idiot, so I asked him how long the bag was there. He said about 10 min. I asked if he had informed the captain. He said no. I started yelling at him and we exchanged words. By this time Allyson was out of her gear and went to the pilot house to WAKE UP the captain. That's right I said wake up the captain (argue that one JT). I guess the captain was a little tired from his solo dive to 118 feet and needed a nap. Is it normal practice for the only qualified captain on board to do a dive 67 miles out in the Ocean with a boat full of divers? Is it normal practice for him to sleep while divers are doing decompression? I guess the mate was scared to wake him up.</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"><BR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> </FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"><BR> </FONT></HTML> --part1_132.114c6623.2a70c2d2_boundary-- -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
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