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From: HLAviation@ao*.co*
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 13:11:17 EDT
Subject: Re: Nova Tech Dive Report 7/21/02 & Lessons Learned
To: techdiver@aquanaut.com

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Just as a counter thought:

  The Captain is NOT free to manuver the vessel. Having screws churning with 
people hooked to down lines and no communications is not a good idea. When we 
live boat divers, it is always off the bow on 120' boats, with tenders 
closely monitoring the tether, there is only one diver down, and I have a com 
link to him in the wheel house as well, and it still makes me extremely 
paranoid, divers do get killed this way, and the only time it's done is when 
absolutely necessary on pipline inspection and zinc jobs where the diver has 
to jet along and walk the bottom, other wise the engines and rudders are lock 
out tag out items until the diver and equipment is out of the water and the 
dive supervisor clears it and captain confirms it.
   If you want a drifting deco due to currents and cold... I prefer seeing 
(and doing) either deco on individual lift bags, or a seperate independantly 
floated deco platform, where the captain can follow along at a safe distance 
away, yet monitor the position of all the divers.  Drifting deco connected to 
the boat is a bad idea in my opinion unless you are in waters in such a 
situation where the boat won't need to be started until all divers are on 
deck.  In such a situation I'm fine with it, just don't tell me I'm free to 
manuver though.

>  At 11:05 PM 7/23/02 -0400, Doug Chapman wrote:
> >> Just for thought:
>> Upline with sufficient but not exceessive scope, redundant surface floats, 
>> and bottom chain with snap/hook. Down rig with divers is dropped ahead of 
>> wreck to drift into wreck (one diver in team drops with the chain end). On 
>> end of dive last divers detach chain from wreck and toss into sand. 
>> Proceed up line. Now the line is drifting with the current with a slight 
>> bottom drag from the chain. No flag flying. No issues. Relaxing. The boat 
>> is always free to maneuver. 
> 


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Just as a counter thought:<BR>
<BR>
  The Captain is NOT free to manuver the vessel. Having screws churning
with people hooked to down lines and no communications is not a good idea. When
we live boat divers, it is always off the bow on 120' boats, with tenders
closely monitoring the tether, there is only one diver down, and I have a com
link to him in the wheel house as well, and it still makes me extremely
paranoid, divers do get killed this way, and the only time it's done is when
absolutely necessary on pipline inspection and zinc jobs where the diver has to
jet along and walk the bottom, other wise the engines and rudders are lock out
tag out items until the diver and equipment is out of the water and the dive
supervisor clears it and captain confirms it.<BR>
   If you want a drifting deco due to currents and cold... I prefer
seeing (and doing) either deco on individual lift bags, or a seperate
independantly floated deco platform, where the captain can follow along at a
safe distance away, yet monitor the position of all the divers.  Drifting
deco connected to the boat is a bad idea in my opinion unless you are in waters
in such a situation where the boat won't need to be started until all divers
are on deck.  In such a situation I'm fine with it, just don't tell me I'm
free to manuver though.<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT:
5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"> At 11:05 PM 7/23/02 -0400, Doug
Chapman wrote:<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT:
5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Just for thought:</FONT><FONT 
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</FONT><FONT  COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2
FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">Upline with sufficient but not
exceessive scope, redundant surface floats, and bottom chain with snap/hook.
Down rig with divers is dropped ahead of wreck to drift into wreck (one diver
in team drops with the chain end). On end of dive last divers detach chain from
wreck and toss into sand. Proceed up line. Now the line is drifting with the
current with a slight bottom drag from the chain. No flag flying. No issues.
Relaxing. The boat is always free to maneuver. </FONT><FONT 
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FACE="Arial" LANG="0"></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
</FONT><FONT  COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2
FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
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