I keep telling you guys ever since I came up there and saw your act that
you need to keep the boat offset from the downline and detachable so the
boat can deal with situations that arise. That means you can not have
anything hanging down from the boat - no trapeze bullshit or hanging
bottles. That is beyond the pale dangerous, and the reasons were already
explained clearly.

Making excuses for dealing with CF's with more CF's is SOP for the strokes,
and I wish you guys could just swallow the pride long enough to recognize
this.I was hoping that Andrew G could get these things across with his Mr.
Nice Guy approach and his South African accent, but no such luck It is a
shame that you can get so many things right and then have even Christina
Young, a known stroke, be right about what you are doing wrong. Even she
can see the problems with this and even she can see why you do not have
anyone set the hook by themselves.

Where she is wrong is in her belief that the few trips per year run to the
Doria are some huge sample of dives and so the tremendous number of CF's is
OK. It is not. There are thousands of extreme ocean dives done in SF every
year, and only the usual suspects have the problems. Billy Deans had a
perfect track record of not killing anyone. He had a perfect track record
of saving every moron who screwed up. He ran his show properly. Maybe all
of you should ring Billy up and ask him how he did it. I was even on the
boat when the previous Seeker captain ( the one before Dr. Dumbass) was
trying to dive  300 odd foot deep wreck. Deans laid down the law to this
guy before allowing him on the boat, and then we both had a huge laugh when
the guys still had so much crap on him that Deans and I both had to lift
him out of his seat and walk him to the water. the captain and I set the
hook, and then we got out and the safety divers took over while this guy
did his dive with another NE wreck genius. really, call Billy and find out
how it is done , even with strokes on the boat.

I can see you guys refusing to listen to me and having to find out the hard
way, but I can not see how you can continue to do the same things over and
over after all your so called experience while expecting difference
results. I figured this one out in my first ten attempts at these dives, so
did not have to suffer any of the consequences on the more than one
thousand of them I have done since.

Of  course, I clearly agree with you on all of the other things you
mention, like Christina thinking she is going to get out of a bad situation
on her CCR with a single 80. I hope she doe s not find out that hard way on
that one, since clearly in RB land, there are no amount of deaths that seem
to get the message across, so hers would not do anything either other than
invoke the usual hand wringing response from the CCR clowns about how they
can't understand how such a thing could happen.

I can give you all a clue as to what is wrong with Danny's operation.
First, get a copy of Star Wars Episode IV ( the first one put out), then go
to Christina Young's web page, and get back to me if there are still any
questions..



-----Original Message-----
From: christi5@ix*.ne*.co* [mailto:christi5@ix*.ne*.co*]
Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2002 3:45 PM
To: Capt JT
Cc: christi5@ix*.ne*.co*; techdiver@aquanaut.com;
captjt@mi*.ne*
Subject: RE: FW: Survey of NE DiveBoats re: GUE acceptance.


Hi Capt,
I'm not sure how you can say that medical issues weren't issues at hand that
had a major contributing factor in the deaths.  As recently as the one last
week shows, it was a heart attack on the surface that happened.  And three
of
the five Doria deaths.  Four of those last six deaths would have not taken
place if the deceased had been in better medical shape.

My questions still remain unanswered.  As the boat captain, what specific
things should he do or require of the divers on these trips?  What criteria
should disqualify a diver or group from being accepted on these types of
dives, period?

Cheers, Christina
www.christinayoung.com

On Tue, 16 Jul 2002 14:23:48 -0400 Capt JT <captjt@mi*.co*> wrote:


>  What level of
>screening should / can the captain be responsible for???  What level should
>the groups chartering be responsible for?  Already the Seeker requires
medical
>
>information, more than the Miss Lindsey ever asked me for.  Can they be
>responsible if people lie about that, or should they have an EKG machine
and
a
>
>nurse taking your collesterol reading at the boat?

These are not the issues at hand and bare little in the deaths of the
divers.


>  You yourself have said in the past that they run a good
>operation (requires you to fill out a dive plan, have a boat that is
superbly

>outfitted for those kinds of trips, etc etc etc).

Yes, I said this.

>  Now you are saying that his
>
>operations needs to be updated, as well as his clientele.  Can you
elaborate
>on this?  What specific items need updating and how, and how should he go
>about "updating his clientele"?

This is a hard thing to do, I did it when I took on the deepest trips the
Miss Lindsey runs. In the past they had many close incidents. Even a death
or 2.
As long as you let divers do as they please, things will happen, as long as
you let instructors, Trimix cards, and friends be your shield things will
happen.

When I began telling the truth of what divers did on our trips, they
stopped coming if they were unwilling to change. You cannot dive to the
deeper depths thinking you can leave your buddy, cut corners, have total
faith in your RB without a back up plan, only care if the diver is not back
on time ect........ ect.........

Even now, when the boat is chartered by some, they ask I not be one of the
Captains.........so they can do as they please, no one to tell what really
happens.

Everything that needs changing with the Seeker is within Danny himself, the
way divers look at the dive will change because of him and no one else. As
long as he does nothing on his present course divers will die, he must step
up and say this is what you must do.........Let him get on a list or post
photos on a site about the 3 going up the wrong line after they were told
not to, and not tieing off, but drifting away, bash their ass, see if it
happens again, do nothing and it will.............


>Cheers, and I hope you can come up soon and dive,
>Christina
>www.christinayoung.com
>
>At Mon, 15 Jul 2002 23:05:40 -0400 Capt JT wrote:
>
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>Trey, I could give a shit what you or the other guy says, I checked with
>the CG......... TODAY....... to be sure I was correct. I only must walk
>300ft from my office to the USCG Marine Safety Office where I work, they
>are stationed inside the shipyard I am employed at......... They handle all
>of the inspections for the SPV in this area.......... I discussed the
>procedure for over an hour with them. Then I called and talked to the
>pilots again in EC, NC......got the same answers they gave me at the safety
>seminar.
>
>Sure Danny sucks shit for lieing, everyone who lies does......... Sure he
>has the worst track record for deaths........You are the last person I want
>to butt heads with, but I will not lie or change the facts of any event to
>suit personal agendas.
>Clearly his dive operation needs to be updated as well as some of his
>clientele.
>
>There are 2 kinds of Captains, those that have already had an accident and
>those that are about to. I have done everything possible to keep the trips
>I'm on safe, but that does not ensure it will not happen. Must I endure the
>same crap on these list if it happens to me and nothing I did was
>wrong..........is that what you plan for me.
>
>The CG does not know jack shit about diving....... they know about boat
>handling ect.......they rule over us Captains, cut and dry.
>
>
>
>
>
>
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