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JT, you just will not give up with your petty crap. Danny ran the boat way
away from the divers he left. The Coast Guard does not know jack shit about
diving. In fact, they call me all the time to analyze accidents for them -
just ask Tom Mount whom they grilled over one and asked me the same
questions. The commercial dive guy has it right, despite the fact that you
want to argue anything you can with me. Argue this, JT - tell me why it is
ok for that idiot Danny to lie about GUE.

I guess since the commercial guy makes so much sense you thought it was me.
Really harboring the big resentments, eh JT?

The Seeker runs a clusterfuck from start to finish. They keep proving it. I
would not even set foot on a operation like that, but you go right ahead.
  -----Original Message-----
  From: Capt JT [mailto:captjt@mi*.co*]
  Sent: Monday, July 15, 2002 7:43 PM
  To: HLAviation@ao*.co*; techdiver@aquanaut.com
  Cc: vbtech@ci*.co*
  Subject: Re: FW: Survey of NE DiveBoats re: GUE acceptance.


  At 09:47 AM 7/15/02 -0400, HLAviation@ao*.co* wrote:

    Per private conversation.  At least one of the participants (me) has
some
    questions.

  Be glad to......... first let me congratulate you on the great job of
posting, I even had someone check you out to make sure you are not Mr
Clark........ see below

  JT, apparently this guy is not George:
  http://hometown.aol.com/hlaviation/
  Can't find his real name, with a short look but he is one championship
poster and know-it-all on rec.boats and rec.scuba:

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=HLAviation%40aol.com&ie=ISO-8859-1&hl=en&
  btnG=Google+Search

  Having cleared that up and not really knowing what boat you run, who you
are or from what area , I will lay out the details for you and everyone.




    Is it standard practice for the boat to leave the mooring and go meet
the
    helicopter, even though the boat may still have divers in the water?  If
so,
    why?

  When you are faced with an event on your vessel, take control.........each
event will have its own guidelines and I cannot cover them all in a post.
The crew and customers will look to you to make decisions, they will also
look for everything you do wrong or see as wrong, they will always say what
they would have done later, but their mind will be blank for the duration of
the event, much like those on this list. Some may even panic, cause
unnecessary stress and add confusion to the event.

  It is the decision of the Capt to call the CG, seasick passengers who
think they are going to die, the CG will not come and get.

  You must decide which international call word fits the event, "Mayday,
Mayday, Mayday" which means distress;i.e., you are sinking, on fire.....
immediate danger of loss of life or property. Or "Pan, Pan, Pan"  which
means an urgent message to follow; i.e. ,you need medical information, ect.

  Events with divers are not always clear cut, is a diver who is bent so
badly he could die, which is loss of life or is the diver just bent and in
pain or other, " I have a missing diver". In most cases "Pan, Pan, Pan" is
used, but the CG will answer either. Remember the person who answers your
call does not call the shots for the CG, they usually are just the
"radioman"  who gets someone else. He will also ask you to go to another
channel other than 16, in most cases it is 22, He will contact the "flight
surgeon", unlike our 911 system this person will likely have only general
knowledge.......... either he will directly or through the radioman ask a
series of questions and determine if an airvac is needed, this is based on
several things, location, victim, other choppers already near the area, even
if the Navy has a vessel close. While the Capt is on the radio he should
assign someone the task of being the message relay person, meaning the Capt
cannot attend to the victim and converse with the CG at the same time. It is
the job of the crew and/or DM to perform CPR ect...   It is very costly to
send a chopper when other options are available. But you are the Capt and it
is in your best interest to get the victim to professional help.

   The CG does not airlift bodies, they will get them at the dock.


  According to LT Gonzales of the CG, who is the Chief, Vessel Compliance
Training Branch and Senior Resident Inspector for SPV in this area, and the
Helo pilots from Elizabeth City, NC (they are the ones who handle our area)
say the same thing.

  There is no Standard Practice for leaving the mooring, divers or not, a
request is made to release from the mooring........ what they do say is
this, each pick up is on case by case and the preferred way is to have the
boat moving 30-80 degrees into the WIND in gear moving FWD at a slow speed.
The chopper will direct you by radio as to what compass course to steer.

  To do a pick up from an SPV at anchor is the least favored option as the
vessel will be blown in circles and is extremely difficult for the pilot. I
have been the diver in the WATER under the boat during one of these types of
pick ups. As the boat spun I was pulled from 30ft to the surface as I did
not know what was going on, not my way of preference as a diver either. If
the pilot is unable to place the pick up basket on the boat, they will place
a rescue diver in the water and take the victim to the basket, another least
favored option. Time lost..........

  I was also told that no rules were broken by the Capt of the Seeker and he
did what was they considered correct in sending a diver down to inform the
divers who could not surface of the forthcoming event. It is the discretion
of the Capt of the event at hand as to how and what is done. It is not the
CG's job to complain, although they do have their preference.

  For what it is worth, any Capt of a SPV in my area of VA or NC who is
interested in being invited to the safety seminar put on by the CG will be
invited at the next one, send me your email address.

  For those who find fault with this post take it up with the
CG.............

  Capt JT Barker
  Master Near Coastal 100 ton
  Issue Number 3
  9935xx








    It is general requested proceedure to be underway with the wind and seas
on a
    forward qurter to help stabilize the deck.  It is not mandatory, and the
time
    I've had divers down (I've been involved in 4 medivacs in 15 years) I
    declined and told them I had divers down and was unable to get underway.
    They got the guy off my deck anyway with no problems or complaints.
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  "You can't learn to dive on the net, sooner or later you have to get in
the water"
  Your Guide to Great Wreck Diving along the East Coast & more
   Web Site  http://www.capt-jt.com/
  Email     captjt@mi*.co*



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you just will not give up with your petty crap. Danny ran the boat way =
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the divers he left. The Coast Guard does not know jack shit about =
diving. In=20
fact, they call me all the time to analyze accidents for them - just ask =
Tom=20
Mount whom they grilled over one and asked me the same questions. The =
commercial=20
dive guy has it right, despite the fact that you want to argue anything =
you can=20
with me. Argue this, JT - tell me why it is ok for that idiot Danny to =
lie about=20
GUE. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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guess since the commercial guy makes so much sense you thought it =
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Really harboring the big resentments, eh JT?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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Seeker runs a clusterfuck from start to finish. They keep proving it. I =
would=20
not even set foot on a operation like that, but you go right ahead.=20
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  size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Capt JT=20
  [mailto:captjt@mi*.co*]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, July 15, 2002 =
7:43=20
  PM<BR><B>To:</B> HLAviation@ao*.co*; =
techdiver@aquanaut.com<BR><B>Cc:</B>=20
  vbtech@ci*.co*<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: FW: Survey of NE =
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  GUE acceptance. <BR><BR></FONT></DIV>At 09:47 AM 7/15/02 -0400,=20
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still=20
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will have=20
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  customers will look to you to make decisions, they will also look for=20
  everything you do wrong or see as wrong, they will always say what =
they would=20
  have done later, but their mind will be blank for the duration of the =
event,=20
  much like those on this list. Some may even panic, cause unnecessary =
stress=20
  and add confusion to the event. <BR><BR>It is the decision of the Capt =
to call=20
  the CG, seasick passengers who think they are going to die, the CG =
will not=20
  come and get. <BR><BR>You must decide which international call word =
fits the=20
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sinking, on=20
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the diver=20
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who=20
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just=20
  the "radioman"  who gets someone else. He will also ask you to go =
to=20
  another channel other than 16, in most cases it is 22, He will contact =
the=20
  "flight surgeon", unlike our 911 system this person will likely have =
only=20
  general knowledge.......... either he will directly or through the =
radioman=20
  ask a series of questions and determine if an airvac is needed, this =
is based=20
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area,=20
  even if the Navy has a vessel close. While the Capt is on the radio he =
should=20
  assign someone the task of being the message relay person, meaning the =
Capt=20
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It is=20
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very=20
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the=20
  Capt and it is in your best interest to get the victim to professional =

  help.<BR><BR> The CG does not airlift bodies, they will get them =
at the=20
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CG, who is=20
  the Chief, Vessel Compliance Training Branch and Senior Resident =
Inspector for=20
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are the=20
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release=20
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by radio=20
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the pick=20
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take=20
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Capt of=20
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diver down=20
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It is the=20
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done. It is=20
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  <BR><BR>For what it is worth, any Capt of a SPV in my area of VA or NC =
who is=20
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will be=20
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those=20
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CG.............<BR><BR>Capt=20
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3<BR>9935xx<BR> =20
  <BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>
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be=20
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stabilize=20
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told them=20
    I had divers down and was unable to get underway.  <BR>They got =
the guy=20
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mail for=20
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    subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.=20
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later you=20
  have to get in the water"<BR><FONT color=3D#0000ff><U>Your Guide to =
Great Wreck=20
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