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Trey, I could give a shit what you or the other guy says, I checked with
the CG......... TODAY....... to be sure I was correct. I only must walk
300ft from my office to the USCG Marine Safety Office where I work, they
are stationed inside the shipyard I am employed at......... They handle all
of the inspections for the SPV in this area.......... I discussed the
procedure for over an hour with them. Then I called and talked to the
pilots again in EC, NC......got the same answers they gave me at the safety
seminar.
Sure Danny sucks shit for lieing, everyone who lies does......... Sure he
has the worst track record for deaths........You are the last person I want
to butt heads with, but I will not lie or change the facts of any event to
suit personal agendas.
Clearly his dive operation needs to be updated as well as some of his
clientele.
There are 2 kinds of Captains, those that have already had an accident and
those that are about to. I have done everything possible to keep the trips
I'm on safe, but that does not ensure it will not happen. Must I endure the
same crap on these list if it happens to me and nothing I did was
wrong..........is that what you plan for me.
The CG does not know jack shit about diving....... they know about boat
handling ect.......they rule over us Captains, cut and dry.
At 10:23 PM 7/15/02 -0400, George Irvine wrote:
>JT, you just will not give up with your petty crap. Danny ran the boat way
>away from the divers he left. The Coast Guard does not know jack shit
>about diving. In fact, they call me all the time to analyze accidents for
>them - just ask Tom Mount whom they grilled over one and asked me the same
>questions. The commercial dive guy has it right, despite the fact that you
>want to argue anything you can with me. Argue this, JT - tell me why it is
>ok for that idiot Danny to lie about GUE.
>
>I guess since the commercial guy makes so much sense you thought it was
>me. Really harboring the big resentments, eh JT?
>
>The Seeker runs a clusterfuck from start to finish. They keep proving it.
>I would not even set foot on a operation like that, but you go right ahead.
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Capt JT [mailto:captjt@mi*.co*]
>>Sent: Monday, July 15, 2002 7:43 PM
>>To: HLAviation@ao*.co*; techdiver@aquanaut.com
>>Cc: vbtech@ci*.co*
>>Subject: Re: FW: Survey of NE DiveBoats re: GUE acceptance.
>>
>>At 09:47 AM 7/15/02 -0400, HLAviation@ao*.co* wrote:
>>>Per private conversation. At least one of the participants (me) has some
>>>questions.
>>Be glad to......... first let me congratulate you on the great job of
>>posting, I even had someone check you out to make sure you are not Mr
>>Clark........ see below
>>
>>JT, apparently this guy is not George:
>>http://hometown.aol.com/hlaviation/
>>Can't find his real name, with a short look but he is one championship
>>poster and know-it-all on rec.boats and rec.scuba:
>>http://groups.google.com/groups?q=HLAviation%40aol.com&ie=ISO-8859-1&hl=en&
>>btnG=Google+Search
>>
>>Having cleared that up and not really knowing what boat you run, who you
>>are or from what area , I will lay out the details for you and everyone.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>Is it standard practice for the boat to leave the mooring and go meet the
>>>helicopter, even though the boat may still have divers in the water? If
>>>so,
>>>why?
>>When you are faced with an event on your vessel, take
>>control.........each event will have its own guidelines and I cannot
>>cover them all in a post. The crew and customers will look to you to make
>>decisions, they will also look for everything you do wrong or see as
>>wrong, they will always say what they would have done later, but their
>>mind will be blank for the duration of the event, much like those on this
>>list. Some may even panic, cause unnecessary stress and add confusion to
>>the event.
>>
>>It is the decision of the Capt to call the CG, seasick passengers who
>>think they are going to die, the CG will not come and get.
>>
>>You must decide which international call word fits the event, "Mayday,
>>Mayday, Mayday" which means distress;i.e., you are sinking, on fire.....
>>immediate danger of loss of life or property. Or "Pan, Pan, Pan" which
>>means an urgent message to follow; i.e. ,you need medical information, ect.
>>
>>Events with divers are not always clear cut, is a diver who is bent so
>>badly he could die, which is loss of life or is the diver just bent and
>>in pain or other, " I have a missing diver". In most cases "Pan, Pan,
>>Pan" is used, but the CG will answer either. Remember the person who
>>answers your call does not call the shots for the CG, they usually are
>>just the "radioman" who gets someone else. He will also ask you to go to
>>another channel other than 16, in most cases it is 22, He will contact
>>the "flight surgeon", unlike our 911 system this person will likely have
>>only general knowledge.......... either he will directly or through the
>>radioman ask a series of questions and determine if an airvac is needed,
>>this is based on several things, location, victim, other choppers already
>>near the area, even if the Navy has a vessel close. While the Capt is on
>>the radio he should assign someone the task of being the message relay
>>person, meaning the Capt cannot attend to the victim and converse with
>>the CG at the same time. It is the job of the crew and/or DM to perform
>>CPR ect... It is very costly to send a chopper when other options are
>>available. But you are the Capt and it is in your best interest to get
>>the victim to professional help.
>>
>> The CG does not airlift bodies, they will get them at the dock.
>>
>>
>>
>>According to LT Gonzales of the CG, who is the Chief, Vessel Compliance
>>Training Branch and Senior Resident Inspector for SPV in this area, and
>>the Helo pilots from Elizabeth City, NC (they are the ones who handle our
>>area) say the same thing.
>>
>>There is no Standard Practice for leaving the mooring, divers or not, a
>>request is made to release from the mooring........ what they do say is
>>this, each pick up is on case by case and the preferred way is to have
>>the boat moving 30-80 degrees into the WIND in gear moving FWD at a slow
>>speed. The chopper will direct you by radio as to what compass course to
>>steer.
>>
>>To do a pick up from an SPV at anchor is the least favored option as the
>>vessel will be blown in circles and is extremely difficult for the pilot.
>>I have been the diver in the WATER under the boat during one of these
>>types of pick ups. As the boat spun I was pulled from 30ft to the
>>surface as I did not know what was going on, not my way of preference as
>>a diver either. If the pilot is unable to place the pick up basket on the
>>boat, they will place a rescue diver in the water and take the victim to
>>the basket, another least favored option. Time lost..........
>>
>>I was also told that no rules were broken by the Capt of the Seeker and
>>he did what was they considered correct in sending a diver down to inform
>>the divers who could not surface of the forthcoming event. It is the
>>discretion of the Capt of the event at hand as to how and what is done.
>>It is not the CG's job to complain, although they do have their preference.
>>
>>For what it is worth, any Capt of a SPV in my area of VA or NC who is
>>interested in being invited to the safety seminar put on by the CG will
>>be invited at the next one, send me your email address.
>>
>>For those who find fault with this post take it up with the CG.............
>>
>>Capt JT Barker
>>Master Near Coastal 100 ton
>>Issue Number 3
>>9935xx
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>It is general requested proceedure to be underway with the wind and seas
>>>on a
>>>forward qurter to help stabilize the deck. It is not mandatory, and the
>>>time
>>>I've had divers down (I've been involved in 4 medivacs in 15 years) I
>>>declined and told them I had divers down and was unable to get underway.
>>>They got the guy off my deck anyway with no problems or complaints.
>>>--
>>>Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'.
>>>Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
>>
>>
>>"You can't learn to dive on the net, sooner or later you have to get in
>>the water"
>>Your Guide to Great Wreck Diving along the East Coast & more
>> Web Site http://www.capt-jt.com/
>>Email captjt@mi*.co*
>
>
>"You can't learn to dive on the net, sooner or later you have to get in
>the water"
>Your Guide to Great Wreck Diving along the East Coast & more
> Web Site http://www.capt-jt.com/
>Email captjt@mi*.co*
>
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Trey, I could give a shit what you or the other guy says, I checked with
the CG......... TODAY....... to be sure I was correct. I only must walk
300ft from my office to the USCG Marine Safety Office where I work, they
are stationed inside the shipyard I am employed at......... They handle
all of the inspections for the SPV in this area.......... I discussed the
procedure for over an hour with them. Then I called and talked to the
pilots again in EC, NC......got the same answers they gave me at the
safety seminar.<br>
<br>
Sure Danny sucks shit for lieing, everyone who lies does......... Sure he
has the worst track record for deaths........You are the last person I
want to butt heads with, but I will not lie or change the facts of any
event to suit personal agendas.<br>
Clearly his dive operation needs to be updated as well as some of his
clientele.<br>
<br>
There are 2 kinds of Captains, those that have already had an accident
and those that are about to. I have done everything possible to keep the
trips I'm on safe, but that does not ensure it will not happen. Must I
endure the same crap on these list if it happens to me and nothing I did
was wrong..........is that what you plan for me. <br>
<br>
The CG does not know jack shit about diving....... they know about boat
handling ect.......they rule over us Captains, cut and dry.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
At 10:23 PM 7/15/02 -0400, George Irvine
wrote:<br>
<font face=3D"arial" size=3D2 color=3D"#0000FF"><blockquote type=3Dcite
cite=
>JT,
you just will not give up with your petty crap. Danny ran the boat way
away from the divers he left. The Coast Guard does not know jack shit
about diving. In fact, they call me all the time to analyze accidents for
them - just ask Tom Mount whom they grilled over one and asked me the
same questions. The commercial dive guy has it right, despite the fact
that you want to argue anything you can with me. Argue this, JT - tell me
why it is ok for that idiot Danny to lie about GUE. </font><br>
<br>
<font face=3D"arial" size=3D2 color=3D"#0000FF">I guess since the commercial
guy makes so much sense you thought it was me. Really harboring the big
resentments, eh JT?</font><br>
<br>
<font face=3D"arial" size=3D2 color=3D"#0000FF">The Seeker runs a clusterfuc=
k
from start to finish. They keep proving it. I would not even set foot on
a operation like that, but you go right ahead.
</font><blockquote><font face=3D"tahoma" size=3D2>
<dl>
<dd>-----Original Message-----
<dd>From:</b> Capt JT
[<a href=3D"mailto:captjt@mi*.co*"=
eudora=3D"autourl">mailto:captjt@mi*.co*</a>]
<dd>Sent:</b> Monday, July 15, 2002 7:43 PM
<dd>To:</b> HLAviation@ao*.co*; techdiver@aquanaut.com
<dd>Cc:</b> vbtech@ci*.co*
<dd>Subject:</b> Re: FW: Survey of NE DiveBoats re: GUE acceptance.=20
<br>
<br>
</font>
<dd>At 09:47 AM 7/15/02 -0400, HLAviation@ao*.co*
wrote:<blockquote type=3Dcite cite>
<dd>Per private conversation. At least one of the participants (me)
has some
<dd>questions.</blockquote>
<dd>Be glad to......... first let me congratulate you on the great job of
posting, I even had someone check you out to make sure you are not Mr
Clark........ see below<br>
<br>
<dd>JT, apparently this guy is not George:<font color=3D"#0000FF">
<dd><a href=3D"http://hometown.aol.com/hlaviation/"=
eudora=3D"autourl">http://hometown.aol.com/hlaviation/</a></font></u>
<dd>Can't find his real name, with a short look but he is one
championship poster and know-it-all on rec.boats and
rec.scuba:<font color=3D"#0000FF">
<dd><a=
href=3D"http://groups.google.com/groups?q=3DHLAviation%40aol.com&ie=3DI=
SO-8859-1&hl=3Den"=
eudora=3D"autourl">http://groups.google.com/groups?q=3DHLAviation%40aol.com=
&ie=3DISO-8859-1&hl=3Den</a>&</font></u>=20
<dd>btnG=3DGoogle+Search<br>
<br>
<dd>Having cleared that up and not really knowing what boat you run, who
you are or from what area , I will lay out the details for you and
everyone.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<blockquote type=3Dcite cite>
<dd>Is it standard practice for the boat to leave the mooring and go meet
the
<dd>helicopter, even though the boat may still have divers in the
water? If so,
<dd>why?</blockquote>
<dd>When you are faced with an event on your vessel, take
control.........each event will have its own guidelines and I cannot
cover them all in a post. The crew and customers will look to you to make
decisions, they will also look for everything you do wrong or see as
wrong, they will always say what they would have done later, but their
mind will be blank for the duration of the event, much like those on this
list. Some may even panic, cause unnecessary stress and add confusion to
the event. <br>
<br>
<dd>It is the decision of the Capt to call the CG, seasick passengers who
think they are going to die, the CG will not come and get. <br>
<br>
<dd>You must decide which international call word fits the event,
"Mayday, Mayday, Mayday" which means distress;i.e., you are
sinking, on fire..... immediate danger of loss of life or property. Or
"Pan, Pan, Pan" which means an urgent message to follow;
i.e. ,you need medical information, ect.<br>
<br>
<dd>Events with divers are not always clear cut, is a diver who is bent
so badly he could die, which is loss of life or is the diver just bent
and in pain or other, " I have a missing diver". In most cases
"Pan, Pan, Pan" is used, but the CG will answer either.
Remember the person who answers your call does not call the shots for the
CG, they usually are just the "radioman" who gets someone
else. He will also ask you to go to another channel other than 16, in
most cases it is 22, He will contact the "flight surgeon",
unlike our 911 system this person will likely have only general
knowledge.......... either he will directly or through the radioman ask a
series of questions and determine if an airvac is needed, this is based
on several things, location, victim, other choppers already near the
area, even if the Navy has a vessel close. While the Capt is on the radio
he should assign someone the task of being the message relay person,
meaning the Capt cannot attend to the victim and converse with the CG at
the same time. It is the job of the crew and/or DM to perform CPR
ect... It is very costly to send a chopper when other options
are available. But you are the Capt and it is in your best interest to
get the victim to professional help.<br>
<br>
<dd> The CG does not airlift bodies, they will get them at the
dock. <br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<dd>According to LT Gonzales of the CG, who is the Chief, Vessel
Compliance Training Branch and Senior Resident Inspector for SPV in this
area, and the Helo pilots from Elizabeth City, NC (they are the ones who
handle our area) say the same thing.<br>
<br>
<dd>There is no Standard Practice for leaving the mooring, divers or not,
a request is made to release from the mooring........ what they do say is
this, each pick up is on case by case and the preferred way is to have
the boat moving 30-80 degrees into the WIND in gear moving FWD at a slow
speed. The chopper will direct you by radio as to what compass course to
steer. <br>
<br>
<dd>To do a pick up from an SPV at anchor is the least favored option as
the vessel will be blown in circles and is extremely difficult for the
pilot. I have been the diver in the WATER under the boat during one of
these types of pick ups. As the boat spun I was pulled from 30ft to
the surface as I did not know what was going on, not my way of preference
as a diver either. If the pilot is unable to place the pick up basket on
the boat, they will place a rescue diver in the water and take the victim
to the basket, another least favored option. Time lost..........<br>
<br>
<dd>I was also told that no rules were broken by the Capt of the Seeker
and he did what was they considered correct in sending a diver down to
inform the divers who could not surface of the forthcoming event. It is
the discretion of the Capt of the event at hand as to how and what is
done. It is not the CG's job to complain, although they do have their
preference. <br>
<br>
<dd>For what it is worth, any Capt of a SPV in my area of VA or NC who is
interested in being invited to the safety seminar put on by the CG will
be invited at the next one, send me your email address. <br>
<br>
<dd>For those who find fault with this post take it up with the
CG.............<br>
<br>
<dd>Capt JT Barker
<dd>Master Near Coastal 100 ton
<dd>Issue Number 3
<dd>9935xx
<dd> <br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<blockquote type=3Dcite cite>
<dd>It is general requested proceedure to be underway with the wind and
seas on a=20
<dd>forward qurter to help stabilize the deck. It is not mandatory,
and the time=20
<dd>I've had divers down (I've been involved in 4 medivacs in 15 years) I=20
<dd>declined and told them I had divers down and was unable to get
underway. =20
<dd>They got the guy off my deck anyway with no problems or complaints.
<dd>--
<dd>Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to
`techdiver@aquanaut.com'.
<dd>Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to
`techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. </blockquote><br>
<br>
<dd>"You can't learn to dive on the net, sooner or later you have to
get in the water"<font color=3D"#0000FF">
<dd>Your Guide to Great Wreck Diving along the East Coast & more=20
<dd> Web Site
<a href=3D"http://www.capt-jt.com/"=
eudora=3D"autourl">http://www.capt-jt.com/</a>
<dd>Email captjt@mi*.co*</font>
</dl></u></blockquote><br>
<br>
"You can't learn to dive on the net, sooner or later you have to get
in the water"<br>
<font color=3D"#0000FF"><u>Your Guide to Great Wreck Diving along the East
Coast & more <br>
Web Site
<a href=3D"http://www.capt-jt.com/"=
eudora=3D"autourl">http://www.capt-jt.com</a><a=
href=3D"http://www.capt-jt.com/" eudora=3D"autourl">/<br>
</a>Email captjt@mi*.co*<br>
<br>
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