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No, I think you should hold people responsible for their own actions! Why is it always black and white, only one person responsible? Can't the idiot and the boat captain share responsibility? The person is stupid to jump into the water with no training but the captain would also be negligent (in my opinion) to allow that person on board with the intention of diving without any training. The idiot paid the ultimate price for his/her stupidity with their life but the captain must also share the responsibility for not trying to avoid an accident. If the guy has training and equipment that is acceptable (again, whatever that means) and jumps into the water and dies on the bottom because they ran out of air, there really isn't much the captain could do. If the captain allowed the person to jump into 200 ft deep water with 30 lbs of weight and only a spare air in hand then they have been negligent. This list is always bashing the Seeker (No I don't dive with them, haven't for years now) for it's practices but now you are saying the captain has no responsibility? Seems like a double standard just to make your argument. Tim, I don't know if you have personally bashed Dan about how he runs his boat, this is a generalization on the list. One minute you (the list) are saying that Dan should be put in jail for allowing people to use air, Odin regulators, Inspirations and ponies strapped to their backs but then you don't think he's responsible for checking credentials? Just don't seem to make sense? Art. -----Original Message----- From: Timothy Doty [mailto:TDoty@vi*.or*] Sent: Monday, July 15, 2002 9:13 AM To: Art.Paltz@R2*.CO*; techdiver@aquanaut.com Subject: RE: GUE and Drivers License >If a dive boat allows someone with no training but has all the latest and greatest dive >gear board the boat and do a dive and dies then they are irresponsible and will get >sued. That's the correct thing to do. >If a dive shop allows someone to walk in the door, talk the talk and get scuba fills >and then goes out and gets them selves killed while diving without proper training, they >are also going to get sued. That would also be irresponsible. Personally I hate this >"sue craze" we have in the US but this is one time when it is warranted. Your absolutely right, we shouldn't hold individuals responsible for their own actions at all. I agree that dive boats/shops should check for c-cards, but I think we look at it the wrong way. The boat/shop is trying to keep an untrained diver from doing something that might get themselves killed. If I buy a car does the dealer check to make sure I have a license? The gas station? Repair station? I'm talking about something that's a lot more dangerous than diving... -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
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