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I agree that Andrews training is the best available. All these accusations by someone who hasn't been there is a little silly. Mike, it's hard to tell from the formatting what you wrote and what Ted wrote (although it's pretty clear from the content). Ted, I suggest that before you continue shooting down the best dive training that's out there, you inform yourself a little better. I don't know anyone who's taken training from Andrew and been unhappy with it. There have been quite a few people, OTOH, who've taken training from Andrew and who've realized that they are not ready to do the dives they've been doing. The other side of that same coin, is that once you have taken the training and passed the classes, you can be sure that you have a minimum skill set. I can tell you right now, that if you can't deal with having your mask knocked off your face, if you can't deal with an OOA situation, if you can't reach your valves, if you don't remember the basics (such as: My buddy is breathing off my long hose, but when I go to the backup I get nothing. AHA! Left post rolled off), then you won't pass the class. The class teaches you a lot more than that, don't get me wrong, that's just the tip of the iceberg (buddy skills, for example, are a huge big deal. You can be sure that if you don't know where your buddy is, he'll be OOA before you can say "bob's your uncle". Ooops, you just killed him). Can the class be improved? I'm sure it can, and I know that Andrew isn't exactly sitting on his ass, he's constantly optimizing the class and improving it. It is, however, without a doubt, the best class out there. MHK wrote: ~ > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: <mailto:scuba@md*.co*>Ted Green >To: <mailto:techdiver@aquanaut.com>techdiver@aquanaut.com >Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 5:39 AM >Subject: 3 man teams - not for training > >From: Capt JT <<mailto:captjt@mi*.co*>captjt@mindspring.com> > >While I'm on my soap box, >Three man buddy teams have no place in diving instruction. > > >Why the hell not??? Would you rather they practice as 2 man teams, >never learn proper 3 man team protocols, positioning in the water >and positioning in an emergency sitiuation, and then when they dive >in the real worl and a clusteruck happens in a 3 man team they >aren't skilled or practiced enough to know how to react??? > >Perhaps you should step off the soap box and think through what you >say before you spout it.. > > > >When two people dive together, they each divide their time between >what they are doing and what their buddy is doing. > >When two people are diving in a class situation with an instructor, >the students each divide their time between what they are doing, >what their buddy is doing, what the instructor is doing, and >hopefully trying to learn something. THIS IS A THREE MAN TEAM! > >Maybe in a bullshit class this is what they do.. > > >When three people are diving in a class situation with an >instructor, each students divides their time between what they are >doing, what buddy #1 is doing, what buddy #2 is doing, what the >instructor is doing, and hopefully trying to learn something. THIS >IS A FOUR MAN TEAM! How much do you think the student is really >going to learn in this situation? > >The instructor isn't part of the team during training so what are >you talking about??? > > > >In the pool I can see 4 to 6 students ( in two or three teams of two >buddies each ) to one instructor. In open water it's two buddies to >one instructor......especially in the overhead environment or >decompression. > >Ted, then perhaps you need to revist your protocols and spend some >time doing the drills in shalow water where you can simulate failure >and not worry about you or your student being in decompression >should a problem happen.. > >Later > > > > >Ted Green >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >Dive Charter Boat: O.C. Diver > Sunset Marina in Ocean City, Maryland > http://www.ocdiver.com > 410.742.1992 800.637.2102 > Fax 410.749.9410 >"Diving the Atlantic coast from Cape May NJ to Cape Charles VA." >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >-- >Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. >Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
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