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From: "MHK" <mhkane@pr*.ne*>
To: <scuba@md*.co*>, <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
Subject: Re: 3 man teams - not for training
Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 11:12:01 -0700
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  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Ted Green=20
  To: techdiver@aquanaut.com=20
  Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 5:39 AM
  Subject: 3 man teams - not for training


  From: Capt JT <captjt@mi*.co*>

  While I'm on my soap box,
  Three man buddy teams have no place in diving instruction.


  Why the hell not???  Would you rather they practice as 2 man teams, =
never learn proper 3 man team protocols, positioning in the water and =
positioning in an emergency sitiuation, and then when they dive in the  =
real worl and a clusteruck happens in a 3 man team they aren't skilled =
or practiced enough to know how to react???

  Perhaps you should step off the soap box and think through what you =
say before you spout it..

  =20

  When two people dive together, they each divide their time between =
what they are doing and what their buddy is doing.

  When two people are diving in a class situation with an instructor, =
the students each divide their time between what they are doing, what =
their buddy is doing, what the instructor is doing, and hopefully trying =
to learn something. THIS IS A THREE MAN TEAM!
  Maybe in a bullshit class this is what they do..


  When three people are diving in a class situation with an instructor, =
each students divides their time between what they are doing, what buddy =
#1 is doing, what buddy #2 is doing, what the instructor is doing, and =
hopefully trying to learn something. THIS IS A FOUR MAN TEAM! How much =
do you think the student is really going to learn in this situation?=20

  The instructor isn't part of the team during training so what are you =
talking about???



  In the pool I can see 4 to 6 students ( in two or three teams of two =
buddies each ) to one instructor. In open water it's two buddies to one =
instructor......especially in the overhead environment or decompression.

  Ted, then perhaps you need to revist your protocols and spend some =
time doing the drills in shalow water where you can simulate failure and =
not worry about you or your student being in decompression should a =
problem happen..

  Later





Ted Green
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Dive Charter Boat: O.C. Diver
                   Sunset Marina in Ocean City, Maryland
                   http://www.ocdiver.com
                   410.742.1992  800.637.2102
                   Fax 410.749.9410
"Diving the Atlantic coast from Cape May NJ to Cape Charles VA."
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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  <A title=3Dscuba@md*.co* href=3D"mailto:scuba@md*.co*">Ted =
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> 3 man teams - not
for=20
  training</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV>From: Capt JT <<A=20
  =
href=3D"mailto:captjt@mi*.co*">captjt@mindspring.com</A>><B><BR=
><BR></B>While=20
  I'm on my soap box,<BR>Three man buddy teams have no place in diving=20
  instruction.</DIV>
  <DIV> </DIV>
  <DIV> </DIV>
  <DIV>Why the hell not???  Would you rather they practice as 2 man =
teams,=20
  never learn proper 3 man team protocols, positioning in the water =
and=20
  positioning in an emergency sitiuation, and then when they dive in =
the =20
  real worl and a clusteruck happens in a 3 man team they aren't skilled =
or=20
  practiced enough to know how to react???</DIV>
  <DIV> </DIV>
  <DIV>Perhaps you should step off the soap box and think through what =
you say=20
  before you spout it..</DIV>
  <DIV> </DIV>
  <DIV> <BR><BR>When two people dive together, they each divide =
their time=20
  between what they are doing and what their buddy is doing.<BR><BR>When =
two=20
  people are diving in a class situation with an instructor, the =
students each=20
  divide their time between what they are doing, what their buddy is =
doing, what=20
  the instructor is doing, and hopefully trying to learn something. =
<B>THIS IS A=20
  THREE MAN TEAM!</B></DIV><STRONG></STRONG></BLOCKQUOTE>
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  in a bullshit class this is what they do..</STRONG>
  <DIV><BR><BR>When three people are diving in a class situation with
an =

  instructor, each students divides their time between what they are =
doing, what=20
  buddy #1 is doing, what buddy #2 is doing, what the instructor is =
doing, and=20
  hopefully trying to learn something. <B>THIS IS A FOUR MAN TEAM! =
</B>How much=20
  do you think the student is really going to learn in this situation? =
</DIV>
  <DIV> </DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The instructor isn't part of the team =
during=20
  training so what are you talking about???</FONT></DIV><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
  size=3D2></FONT>
  <DIV><BR><BR><BR>In the pool I can see 4 to 6 students ( in two
or =
three teams=20
  of two buddies each ) to one instructor. In open water it's two =
buddies to one=20
  instructor......especially in the overhead environment or=20
  decompression.<BR></DIV><FONT face=3DArial =
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  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Ted, then perhaps you need to revist =
your=20
  protocols and spend some time doing the drills in shalow water where =
you can=20
  simulate failure and not worry about you or your student being in=20
  decompression should a problem happen..</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Later</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
  <DIV> </DIV>
  <DIV><BR><BR></DIV><PRE>Ted Green
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Dive Charter Boat: O.C. Diver
                   Sunset Marina in Ocean City, Maryland
                   http://www.ocdiver.com
                   410.742.1992  800.637.2102
                   Fax 410.749.9410
"Diving the Atlantic coast from Cape May NJ to Cape Charles VA."
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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