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This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0180_01C1D7D1.771228A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Chris, you left out the dead giveaway of the stroke-trained diver, which = is an automatic contraindication for cave diving: the " I use a small = tank and am fine" attitude.=20 We do not ALLOW less than 104's in the WKPP. We do not allow anyone = stupid enough to not understand why buddies all dive equivalent tanks. The stupidity taught in diving is criminal, and this is a perfect = example of why the agencies other than GUE are so inadequate in every = respect. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Chris Elmore=20 To: techdiver@aquanaut.com=20 Sent: Friday, March 29, 2002 4:45 PM Subject: Karla & Cave Diving ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Dogtrner1@ao*.co*=20 To: techdiver@aquanaut.com=20 Sent: Friday, March 29, 2002 7:28 AM Subject: Re: Cave Diving > First off, Thanks to every one for the great private responses.=20 >=20 > Let me clarify some things.=20 >=20 > 1) I am claustrophobic to a degree, but can 90% of the time over = come it.=20 Then, frankly, you are not a candidate for cave diving. Period. There = are times that you can't control environment and things get interesting. = Panic, or even a high degree of uneasiness, will only make things worse. = You've got to *like* being in caves- not just handle it. > It usually only occurs at the beginning of something, and if I = overcome it, I am done with it in that environment for the rest of > the = time in that environment for that day. For instance: When I have an = MRI done, I am fine, if I can get past the initial time > frame. = However, I will have that problem the next time I go as well.=20 Who wants to dive with someone that needs a hand held to get into the = cave? Seriously, try dry caving first and get a feel and appreciation = for caves. If you reach a point where there is no hint of claustrophobia = (be honest here) and you actually start looking for passages to crawl = into, then take the Cave 1 course. > 4) If I do this, I want some good advice on who to go to, ect....=20 That's "etc." :-) > 5) Also: Are doubles a requirement? I tend to use my 120, which = does well for me, and 99.99% of all dives. Karla, I have over 4000 hours as Pilot in Command and if 99.99% was an = acceptable risk then I would be due to bend an airplane any day now. = This is not a video game- we have to win every time. That is the = attitude that DIR takes so much flack for. Sure you can cut a few = corners, make a compromise here or there and you'll get away with it = most of the time. However, getting away with something does not make it = safe. With just a little effort you can execute a dive without = compromises and increase the safety margin by an order of magnitude or = more. It's not really anything special, just eliminating the = compromises- it's called "Doing It Right". C. ------=_NextPart_000_0180_01C1D7D1.771228A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; = charset=3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D"MSHTML 5.50.4913.1100" name=3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Chris, you left out the dead giveaway = of the=20 stroke-trained diver, which is an automatic contraindication for cave = diving:=20 the " I use a small tank and am fine" attitude. </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>We do not ALLOW less than 104's in the = WKPP. We do=20 not allow anyone stupid enough to not understand why buddies all dive = equivalent=20 tanks.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The stupidity taught in diving is = criminal, and=20 this is a perfect example of why the agencies other than GUE are so = inadequate=20 in every respect.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV>----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20 style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black"><B>From:</B>=20 <A title=3Delmorec@at*.ne* = href=3D"mailto:elmorec@at*.ne*">Chris=20 Elmore</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A = title=3Dtechdiver@aquanaut.com=20 href=3D"mailto:techdiver@aquanaut.com">techdiver@aquanaut.com</A> = </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, March 29, 2002 = 4:45=20 PM</DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Karla & Cave = Diving</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black"><B>From:</B>=20 <A title=3DDogtrner1@ao*.co*=20 href=3D"mailto:Dogtrner1@ao*.co*">Dogtrner1@aol.com</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A = title=3Dtechdiver@aquanaut.com=20 href=3D"mailto:techdiver@aquanaut.com">techdiver@aquanaut.com</A> = </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, March 29, 2002 = 7:28=20 AM</DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Cave Diving</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3Darial,helvetica><FONT size=3D2>> First off, = Thanks to every=20 one for the great private responses. <BR>> <BR>> Let me clarify = some=20 things. <BR>> <BR>> 1) I am claustrophobic to a degree, = but can=20 90% of the time over come it. </FONT></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Then, frankly, you are not a = candidate for cave=20 diving. Period. There are times that you can't control environment and = things=20 get interesting. Panic, or even a high degree of uneasiness, will only = make=20 things worse. You've got to *like* being in caves- not just handle=20 it.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3Darial,helvetica><FONT = size=3D2></FONT></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3Darial,helvetica><FONT size=3D2>> It = usually only=20 occurs at the beginning of something, and if I overcome it, I am done = with it=20 in that environment for the rest of > the time in that environment = for that=20 day. For instance: When I have an MRI done, I am fine, if = I can=20 get past the initial time > frame. However, I will have that = problem=20 the next time I go as well. </FONT></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3Darial,helvetica><FONT = size=3D2></FONT></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3Darial,helvetica><FONT size=3D2>Who wants to dive = with someone=20 that needs a hand held to get into the cave? Seriously, try dry caving = first=20 and get a feel and appreciation for caves. If you reach a point where = there is=20 no hint of claustrophobia (be honest here) and you actually start = looking for=20 passages to crawl into, then take the Cave 1 course.</DIV> <DIV><BR><BR>> 4) If I do this, I want some good advice on who to = go to,=20 ect.... </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>That's "etc." :-)<BR><BR>> 5) Also: Are doubles a = requirement?=20 I tend to use my 120, which does well for me, and 99.99% of all=20 dives.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Karla, I have over 4000 hours as Pilot in Command and if 99.99% = was an=20 acceptable risk then I would be due to bend an airplane any day now. = This is=20 not a video game- we have to win every time. That is the attitude = that=20 DIR takes so much flack for. Sure you can cut a few corners, make a = compromise=20 here or there and you'll get away with it most of the time. However, = getting=20 away with something does not make it safe. With just a little effort = you can=20 execute a dive without compromises and increase the safety margin by = an order=20 of magnitude or more. It's not really anything special, just = eliminating the=20 compromises- it's called "Doing It Right".</DIV> <DIV>C.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><BR><BR> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></FONT></FONT></BO DY></HTML> ------=_NextPart_000_0180_01C1D7D1.771228A0-- -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
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