Jim

Well stated for those us that have support and been part of these type of
expedition know the level preparation, training, planning, and thought
processes need to execute safety and successfully.

David

-----Original Message-----
From: VBTech list [mailto:VBTech@ci*.co*]On Behalf Of Jim Cobb
Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2002 10:24 AM
To: VBTech list
Cc: Scott; captjt@mi*.co*; techdiver@aquanaut.com
Subject: Terrance Tysall


It appears from his resume that he got into BUD/S and washed out. He did not
state this but its obvious from looking at the timeline.

Nothing wrong with washing out of BUD/S, the attrition rates are very high
and it takes a great deal of courage just to try out for UDT/SEALs. Don't
know if I'd put it on my resume, however.

Terrance came down and did a presentation to our VBTech group and I found
him to be an engaging speaker and a real wreck diving enthusiast. He's the
kind of guy you would not mind being stuck on a dive boat with when the
conditions are less than ideal. I did not get the feeling he was a charlatan
and BS artist like some people I have met in the dive industry.

I got the impression that he is a sharp fellow who is trying to make a
living at doing something he loves. And if anyone can come up with a reason
against doing that, I'd love to hear it.

As far as doing the Fitz is concerned you all seem to think that doing a
dive like this you simply climb on a boat with your doubles and then step
off the boat when you are more or less over the wreck, then come back up.

For you neophytes out there a dive like this takes months of planning,
logistics, negotiations, research and effort. And if you spend a few minutes
with a deco program, go figure out the deco obligations you build up at 500'
and you tell me how much time you would want to spend at that depth, RB or
no RB in that nice, ice-cold water up there. And if you make one mistake you
are one dead MF.

What would be great is if Terrance embraced DIR and applied it's standards
to his Cambrian Foundation, like AUE is attempting to do. The problem with
this is that expeditions require money and, for some reason, many of the
high-profile strokes out there somehow, in spite of their thick-headed
stupidity, have the bucks to put into such things.

   Jim

On 3/16/02 11:17 PM, "Scott" <scottkoplin@ya*.co*> wrote:

> Capt JT wrote:
>
>> Just, so everyone understands who they are talking
>> about here. Terrance Tysall has dived things many of
>> you will only dream about and that includes
>> the "Friz"........... I don't think that wreck cares
>> if he is a "seal" or not. Just the facts.......
>
> And how many of those opportunities were available to
> him because he claimed to have been a SEAL?
>
> If his SEAL issue wasnt important, why is it in his
> CV?
>
> The facts are he is a liar.
>
> http://143.231.86.196/resources/105cong/fishery/98sep29/tysall.htm
>
> "6.0 Curriculum Vitae
>
> Terrence N. Tysall
>
> Education:
>
> Currently majoring in Biological Oceanography
> specializing in marine mammal behavior and Aquatic
> Exploration at Goddard College
>
> Relevant Employment:
>
> 1985 - 1990 US Navy active duty and reserve -
> stationed at RTC San Diego, CA, Fleet Anti-Submarine
> Warfare Training Center Pacific, Naval Special
> Warfare Center/Basic Underwater Demolition/Seal
> Training, Seal Team 5 TAD"
>
> End quote.
>
>> How many of you guys even know about that wreck,
>> where it is or how deep.
>
> We know how badly the relatives of the lost crew got
> pissed, and how quickly their concerns were placed on
> the back burner, behind Tysalls need to grab that ring
> and get that name so guys like you can think he is
> cool.
>
>> I'm called an asshole when I see a fuck up like
>> yesterday and point it out, don't need my name on a
>> page for everyone to know that........get use to it.
>
> We dont have to get used to anything, let alone a liar
> pushing bullshit courses. You guys and your bullshit
> attitudes and benchmarks are what ruin this sport. I
> would never have expected this crap from you JT.
>
> I dont give a shit if Tysall was on the moon, and
> screwed the Queen, he lied about being a SEAL, used
> that lie to buy and prop up bullshit credibility.
> Shame on him and you if you back him up.
>
> I am not going to stand idly by while some lying sack
> of shit props himself up on the backs of good men, and
> claims for himself what they earned. You want shitbag
> liars as leaders, that's what you get. Personally, I
> reject him and any organization he represents
> *because* of his lies about being a SEAL.
>
> It's called respect and common decency.
>
> Scott
>
> --- Steve XXXXXXX <shaXXX@XX*> wrote:
>> From: "Steve XXXXXX" <shaXXX@XX*>
>> To: "Scott"
>> Subject: RE: Tysall, Terrence Neal NOT A SEAL FOLLOW
>> UP!!
>> Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 16:18:58 -0600
>>
>> Scott,
>> Thanks for checking back with us - we greatly
>> appreciate your continued
>> interest in upholding the honor of the US Navy SEAL
>> Teams, and your ongoing
>> search for the TRUTH.
>>
>> As we indicated in our last communiqu? to you, we do
>> NOT have a listing in
>> our database for anyone named Terrence Neal Tysall.
>> In fact we do not have
>> ANYONE with that last name (or anything even close
>> in spelling or
>> pronunciation) in our entire database of nearly
>> 10,000 names!
>>
>> Unless he has undertaken a legal name change, I can
>> state conclusively that
>> Mr. Tysall has NEVER completed Basic Underwater
>> Demolition/SEAL (BUD/S)
>> training, and he is not now, nor was he ever a Navy
>> SEAL.
>>
>> I strongly suspect that he may not have observed
>> strict honesty when posting
>> his credentials regarding the other claims, but I
>> cannot verify those
>> suspicions. It would seem a bit implausible that a
>> man of his age has
>> amassed such an incredible amount of diving
>> experience, as well as
>> instructor experience, in such an incredibly vast
>> variety of dive
>> disciplines and specialties. Jacques Cousteau and
>> his entire dive crew would
>> have a hard time matching the qualifications that
>> this man has attached to
>> himself... and ol' Jacques (bless his
>> dearly-departed soul) is one of the
>> guys who INVENTED scuba diving!
>>
>> If a man is fraudulent about one claim, there is a
>> strong likelihood that
>> he's being fraudulent about other claims. He
>> certainly never graduated from
>> BUD/S training, he was never a SEAL, and he was
>> never attached as a SEAL to
>> SEAL Team FIVE. That's three untruths right from the
>> start. Before taking
>> instructions from, chartering services from, or
>> giving money to this man for
>> ANY reason, I would strongly recommend that you
>> demand to see written AND
>> NOTARIZED certifications for ALL of the disciplines
>> and techniques he is
>> claiming. If you see notarizations, then he has had
>> to swear before a notary
>> that the certificates are authentic. If they then
>> turn out to be fraudulent,
>> you have grounds for legal actions.
>>
>> If you personally know anyone associated with any
>> group from which this man
>> is receiving funding, I would suggest that they
>> receive a copy of this
>> email. If he has received any grants or government
>> research funding based
>> upon his credentials, then the government offices
>> that authorized those
>> grants will also want to see a copy of this email.
>>
>> If my SEAL Authentication Teammates or I can be of
>> any further assistance to
>> you in this matter, please do not hesitate to
>> contact us again.
>
> <snip>
>
>> Steve XXXXX
>> SEAL Authentication Team
>> SEAL Team ONE 1971-1973
>
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