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This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_016B_01C1A5EB.293C4D80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message -----=20 From: George Irvine=20 Look, moron, all you care about is your little dry caving weenie = helmet. You let all else that makes any sense go by the wayside for that = precious little helmet. That makes you a total idiot, just like every = other stroke who sees only one facet and lets all else go in order to = satisfy that obsession. You not only know NOTHING about cave diving, you = just don't get the importance of doing things in a cohesive and = consistent fashion.=20 Hm, a lucid argument, just what I like... Hi Jeff. Scoffs caving and diving partner (not buddy) here. The most important aspect of the dive light is the signaling = capability. You don't get that, and in fact you spend a great deal of = argument telling how helmeted lights somehow work. They do not. They do = not in dry cave, they do not underwater. And here was me thinking that in a dark cave a light's primary = function was to provide LIGHT ! A bit of lateral thinking is obviously needed...how many bits of dive = gear do we use inappropriately ? ...hey, here's an idea, get rid of those heavy lights and carry a = couple of flags so you can send semaphore signals...or even better- take = a CB radio ! I was thinking of getting one of these HID lights things, = but I don't suppose that the superior lighting is necessary, I'll just = get a flash gun...one flash for yes, two for no etc etc. Wow, I'm getting the hang of this DIR stuff now. On the same lines, maybe a drysuit is not really for keeping warm and = bouyant, maybe it's real function is to keep the mosquitos off you while = putting your tanks on...so ditch those expensive suits boys, and make = your own out of lace curtains ! (DEET impregnated for bad areas) The possibilities are endless...paper tanks that are just perfect for = keeping the sun off your back in the cave, depth gauges that are really = sundials to tell the time with...I'm really cooking now ! Your arguments are worst than the Brits. At least they admit they = don't give a flying fuck about buddies or anyone else. It's not that we don't care about buddies, buddy, it's just that a/ = it's hard enough getting one set of gear to most sumps, let alone two, = and b/ in most of our sumps you wouldn't be able to see your buddy in = the crappy vis, and usually the sumps are a bit small to do anything = even if you could ! My fault for being a stroke, living in this silly little island when I = should really sell up and move to Florida and join the WKPP (I am not = worthy) (Go on George, it's on a plate for you there!) Helmets have no place in cave diving. In Florida, perhaps, but try that sort of rubbish here and you'll end = up with a very sore head. If you've ever had to use your head to knock = roof projections out of the way in flat out passage, you'd know what I = mean ! As to dry caving, guess you must have some pretty easy caves over = there (or George can only do easy caves) because last weekend I spent 9 = hours surveying some desperate new passage we've just explored (dry) = where at one point you can't turn your feet over. Afterwards, the only = bit of me not bruised was...my (helmet protected)head. And if I hadn't = had both hands free, I'd still be there. So George, whilst you certainly know lots about helium diving and = lot's of other tekkie stuff, don't presume to lecture me about UK cave = diving (of which you have no knowledge) and dry caving (ditto) The real shame is that the DIR folks have obviously contributed hugely = to deep and long duration spring diving, but the loudmouth, insulting = attitude of their 'leader' has made them into a laughing stock all over = the place. George- chill out mate, smile, be happy. Is DIR/WKPP a democracy ? Get a life !=20 Sorry, going caving now, look forward to reading the usual = intelligent, helpful reply we all expect from GI. BTW. Enjoyed hugely the DIR video someone gave me. George doing (2) pull = ups, and 20yard runs in shorts...I'm inspired. Nice hair (in a seventies = sort of way), gut a bit flabby)=20 Guess you need to be fit to lug all that gear fast enough not to get = eaten by alligators. Or maybe you have adoring sherpas to help out ? Must admit though, whizzing along all that crystal clear passage on a = scooter looks real good fun ! Shame about the MOR rock music that seems = to be present in most Florida springs, a form of pollution we don't = (thankfully) get over here. Such a shame I could never aspire to such = heights (depths?) Hey, those sexy Gavin scooters must be really good salad tossers, = wonder why they take them diving ? Maybe they're for signalling with, lettuce for yes, tomatoes for no ?? Jeff-=20 disler spikes, we use em here too (think you've mailed with Scoff over = this) but I think I know what they're really for...bend over George !=20 ;-) ------=_NextPart_000_016B_01C1A5EB.293C4D80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; = charset=3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D"MSHTML 5.50.4134.600" name=3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20 style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black"><B>From:</B>=20 <A title=3Dgirvine@be*.ne* = href=3D"mailto:girvine@be*.ne*">George=20 Irvine</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D577212611-22012002><FONT face=3DArial = color=3D#0000ff=20 size=3D2>Look, moron, all you care about is your little dry caving = weenie=20 helmet. You let all else that makes any sense go by the wayside for = that=20 precious little helmet. That makes you a total idiot, just like every = other=20 stroke who sees only one facet and lets all else go in order to = satisfy that=20 obsession. You not only know NOTHING about cave diving, you just don't = get the=20 importance of doing things in a cohesive and consistent fashion.=20 </FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D577212611-22012002><FONT color=3D#0000ff=20 size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D577212611-22012002><FONT size=3D2>Hm, a lucid = argument, just=20 what I like...</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D577212611-22012002><FONT size=3D2>Hi Jeff. Scoffs = caving and=20 diving partner (not buddy) here.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D577212611-22012002><FONT face=3DArial = color=3D#0000ff=20 size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D577212611-22012002><FONT face=3DArial = color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>The=20 most important aspect of the dive light is the signaling capability. = You don't=20 get that, and in fact you spend a great deal of argument telling how = helmeted=20 lights somehow work. They do not. They do not in dry cave, they do not = underwater.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D577212611-22012002><FONT color=3D#0000ff=20 size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D577212611-22012002><FONT size=3D2>And here was me = thinking that=20 in a dark cave a light's primary function was to provide LIGHT=20 !</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D577212611-22012002><FONT size=3D2>A bit of lateral = thinking is=20 obviously needed...how many bits of dive gear do we use = inappropriately=20 ?</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D577212611-22012002><FONT size=3D2>...hey, here's an = idea, get=20 rid of those heavy lights and carry a couple of flags so you can send=20 semaphore signals...or even better- take a CB radio ! I was = thinking of=20 getting one of these HID lights things, but I don't suppose that the = superior=20 lighting is necessary, I'll just get a flash gun...one flash for yes, = two for=20 no etc etc.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D577212611-22012002><FONT size=3D2>Wow, I'm getting = the hang of=20 this DIR stuff now.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D577212611-22012002><FONT size=3D2>On the same = lines, maybe a=20 drysuit is not really for keeping warm and bouyant, maybe it's real = function=20 is to keep the mosquitos off you while putting your tanks on...so = ditch those=20 expensive suits boys, and make your own out of lace curtains ! (DEET=20 impregnated for bad areas)</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D577212611-22012002><FONT size=3D2>The possibilities = are=20 endless...paper tanks that are just perfect for keeping the sun off = your back=20 in the cave, depth gauges that are really sundials to tell the time = with...I'm=20 really cooking now !</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D577212611-22012002></SPAN><SPAN=20 class=3D577212611-22012002><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff=20 size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D577212611-22012002><FONT face=3DArial = color=3D#0000ff=20 size=3D2> Your arguments are worst than the Brits. At least they = admit they=20 don't give a flying fuck about buddies or anyone = else.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D577212611-22012002><FONT color=3D#0000ff=20 size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D577212611-22012002><FONT size=3D2>It's not that we = don't care=20 about buddies, buddy, it's just that a/ it's hard enough getting one = set of=20 gear to most sumps, let alone two, and b/ in most of our sumps you = wouldn't be=20 able to see your buddy in the crappy vis, and usually the sumps are a = bit=20 small to do anything even if you could !</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D577212611-22012002><FONT size=3D2>My fault for = being a stroke,=20 living in this silly little island when I should really sell up and = move to=20 Florida and join the WKPP (I am not worthy) (Go on George, it's on a = plate for=20 you there!)</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D577212611-22012002><FONT face=3DArial = color=3D#0000ff=20 size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D577212611-22012002><FONT face=3DArial = color=3D#0000ff=20 size=3D2>Helmets have no place in cave diving.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D577212611-22012002><FONT color=3D#0000ff=20 size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D577212611-22012002><FONT size=3D2>In Florida, = perhaps, but try=20 that sort of rubbish here and you'll end up with a very sore head. If = you've=20 ever had to use your head to knock roof projections out of the way in = flat out=20 passage, you'd know what I mean !</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D577212611-22012002><FONT size=3D2>As to dry caving, = guess you=20 must have some pretty easy caves over there (or George can only do = easy caves)=20 because last weekend I spent 9 hours surveying some desperate new = passage=20 we've just explored (dry) where at one point you can't turn your feet = over.=20 Afterwards, the only bit of me not bruised was...my (helmet = protected)head.=20 And if I hadn't had both hands free, I'd still be = there.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D577212611-22012002><FONT size=3D2>So George, whilst = you=20 certainly know lots about helium diving and lot's of other tekkie = stuff, don't=20 presume to lecture me about UK cave diving (of which you have no = knowledge)=20 and dry caving (ditto)</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D577212611-22012002><FONT = size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D577212611-22012002><FONT size=3D2>The real shame is = that the=20 DIR folks have obviously contributed hugely to deep and long=20 duration spring diving, but the loudmouth, insulting attitude=20 of their 'leader' has made them into a laughing stock all = over the=20 place.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D577212611-22012002><FONT size=3D2>George- chill out = mate,=20 smile, be happy.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D577212611-22012002><FONT size=3D2>Is DIR/WKPP a = democracy=20 ?</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D577212611-22012002><FONT size=3D2>Get a life=20 !</FONT> </SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D577212611-22012002><FONT = size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D577212611-22012002><FONT size=3D2>Sorry, going = caving now, look=20 forward to reading the usual intelligent, helpful reply we all expect = from=20 GI.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D577212611-22012002></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D577212611-22012002><FONT = size=3D2>BTW.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D577212611-22012002><FONT size=3D2>Enjoyed hugely = the DIR video=20 someone gave me. George doing (2) pull ups, and 20yard runs in = shorts...I'm=20 inspired. Nice hair (in a seventies sort of way), gut a bit flabby)=20 </FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D577212611-22012002><FONT size=3D2>Guess you need to = be fit to=20 lug all that gear fast enough not to get eaten by alligators. Or maybe = you=20 have adoring sherpas to help out ?</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D577212611-22012002><FONT size=3D2>Must admit = though, whizzing=20 along all that crystal clear passage on a scooter looks real good fun = ! Shame=20 about the MOR rock music that seems to be present in most Florida = springs, a=20 form of pollution we don't (thankfully) get over here. Such a shame I = could=20 never aspire to such heights (depths?)</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D577212611-22012002><FONT = size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D577212611-22012002><FONT size=3D2>Hey, those sexy = Gavin=20 scooters must be really good salad tossers, wonder why they take them = diving=20 ?</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D577212611-22012002><FONT size=3D2>Maybe they're for = signalling=20 with, lettuce for yes, tomatoes for no ??</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D577212611-22012002></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D577212611-22012002><FONT size=3D2>Jeff- = </FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D577212611-22012002><FONT size=3D2>disler spikes, we = use em here=20 too (think you've mailed with Scoff over this) but I think I know = what=20 they're really for...bend over George !</FONT> </SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D577212611-22012002><FONT = size=3D2>;-)</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D577212611-22012002><FONT = size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D577212611-22012002><FONT = size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D577212611-22012002><FONT=20 size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML> ------=_NextPart_000_016B_01C1A5EB.293C4D80-- -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. 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