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Scott, I responded to you privately. I leave it up to you to decide for yourself who has a clue and who is blowing smoke. Lee ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Irvine" <girvine@be*.ne*> To: <ScottBonis@ao*.co*>; <leebell@ix*.ne*.co*>; <techdiver@aquanaut.com> Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 6:38 AM Subject: RE: neutral AL 80's > Scott, this guy is complete bullshit. He has no clue about anything, but > runs around badmouthing me and pretending he has some better version of what > he thinks is our system. He has no experience worth counting, no > information, no knowledge, no ability and a big running mouth. He is a huge > waste of everyone's time, and he spends most of his energy over on rec scuba > with his true peers complaining about list etiquette in-between spewing of > garbage that makes no sense what so ever. > > -----Original Message----- > From: ScottBonis@ao*.co* [mailto:ScottBonis@ao*.co*] > Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2002 4:31 PM > To: leebell@ix*.ne*.co*; techdiver@aquanaut.com > Subject: Re: neutral AL 80's > > > Hi Lee, > > You say << The neutral buoyancy when empty means I take 4 lbs off my weight > belt without adding anything anywhere else. This is the primary reason most > people like the tanks and particularly important to me. That 4 lbs just > > happens to make me perfectly weighted with my stainless plate. I don't have > > to wear any lead, anywhere when diving warm water, which is what I do almost > > exclusively. ?? > > Am I reading you correctly that you are diving warm water (wetsuit I > presume) > with no ditchable weight? Does this seem to make a lot of sense? > > Take care and dive safe, Scott > > Some weeks it's just not worth the effort to gnaw through the restraints and > scramble up out of the pit. > > > > In a message dated 1/5/02 9:39:10 AM, leebell@ix*.ne*.co* writes: > > << Susan wrote: > > > Does anyone have any experiences or comments on the Luxfer "neutral" 80 > >cubic foot AL tanks? > > > Luxfer is not on my list of favorite companies. Their handling of bad alloy > > tanks they previously made and the cost of the Visual Plus device they > > developed to address their problem at my expense left a very bad taste in my > > mouth. I own only one Luxfer (not a neutral buoyant tank) but have 6 > > Catalina Compact 80 tanks which are also neutral (and have been around > > longer than Luxfer's offering). > > > I like three things about my Compact 80s: > > 1. They are just a bit shorter than a standard 80. At my height (5'8") the > > slight difference in height means I can carry them with straight arms versus > > the bent arm required for standard 80s. The Luxfers are not shorter. > > 2. The neutral buoyancy when empty means I take 4 lbs off my weight belt > > without adding anything anywhere else. This is the primary reason most > > people like the tanks and particularly important to me. That 4 lbs just > > happens to make me perfectly weighted with my stainless plate. I don't have > > to wear any lead, anywhere when diving warm water, which is what I do almost > > exclusively. > > 3. The trim on the Catalinas is good. They're nicely balanced from top to > > bottom. I believe the Luxfers are a bit bottom heavy, but don't take my > > word for it. > > > |> I was wondering if these would make good stage bottles and/or double tank > > > sets for the ocean. Does anyone know what the working pressure is on these > > > cylinders? > > > I'm not sure these tanks are the best choice for everyone. If you dive wet, > > I don't think they are any better than some steel tanks. Presumably, your > > tanks will never be comletely empty and, therefore, will always be at least > > partly negative. When you twin them up and,. even worse, add stages, you're > > accepting a lot of non ditchable negative buoyancy. If you are scootering, > > they're not going to tow as nicely as the less negative standartd 80s do. > > For most, I don't think it's a real good idea. > > > While I recommend people diving single tanks at least try out the neutral > > buoyant models, I think buoyant tanks would be a better choice for mutli > > tank diving, particularly for open water stages. They represent less > > negative buoyancy and, in a pinch, could actually be a source of positive > > buoyancy. While it's not a primary issue, it's also nice to know that if I > > ever had to ditch one, I don't necessarily have to lose it. Open the valve > > and drop the tank and, sooner or later, it will return to the surface on its > > own. If you do this, however, please recover your tank from the surface. > > I'm not at all fond of the idea of hitting a floating tank with my boat. > > > Lee >> > -- > Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. > Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. > > -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
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