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Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 21:53:15 -0500
Subject: Re: neutral AL 80's
From: Jim Cobb <cobber@ci*.co*>
To: Lee Bell <leebell@ix*.ne*.co*>, Tech Diver <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
My problem, Lee, is that you are dispensing dangerous, clueless information
to a mailing list dedicated to a dangerous sport.

I would imagine if you were to get on a skydiving list and promote a
technique of "how to make a parachute out of used Holiday Inn bed sheets"
you most likely get the same sort of reaction.

What is techdiving? Subjecting your body to high PP's of various gases and
then figuring out how to get them out of your system without killing, toxing
or maiming yourself or your buddy in the process. Being prepared for and
having self-control under adverse conditions. Managing and maintaining
complicated, expensive equipment. Planning and carrying out complex dive
plans. Following your own rules.

Techdiving is recognizing that you are involved in a very dangerous sport
with very thin margins and giving it the respect it deserves. Therefore the
recdiver bullshit you have been spewing out here is not welcome, wanted or
needed.

You will find that you will learn a lot more by doing your own research,
going into lurk mode and resisting the urge to blather on topics on which it
is painfully obvious you know nothing about.

So we don't give a shit about diving bogus singles on techdiver. These tanks
are an abomination for techdivers therefore you may carry your discussion to
rec.diver where it appears you have quite a fan club.

   Jim



> Jim Cobb wrote:
> 
>> And Lee is also an accomplished AquaShot photographer:
> 
> Actually, I've never even held an AquaShot.  I do have  Nikonos V.
> 
>> http://members.dencity.com/leebell/
> 
>> My question is, Lee, what are you doing pontificating on Techdiver?
> 
> The question that came up was about neutral 80s.  Since I happen to have
> been diving with neutral 80s for some 12 years now, I kind of thought I'd
> provide some input.  Since I assume you don't dive with them and don't
> appear to care to, I kind of wonder what difference it makes to you.  If you
> disagree with something I said on the subject, I'd be happy to hear it.
> 
> I mentioned some reasons why I, and others like the tanks for single tank
> diving.  I presume you will accept that I actually know why I like them for
> this.  I further stated that:
> 1. I didn't think they were particularly desirable for twinning or stages
> when diving with a wetsuit for the same reason it's not real wise to use
> steel tanks this way.  If I'm not mistaken, DIR and you agree, right?
> 2. I also indicated that even with a drysuit, steel tanks are a better
> choice specifically because they allow a greater gas supply for the same
> buoyancy characterisitics.  I think DIR and you will agree with this too.
> 3. I also mentioned that I think the standard buoyant aluminum tanks are a
> better choice for stages.  If I'm not mistaken, DIR and you agree on this
> point too.
> 
> So, what's your problem?  I have information on the question and I gave it.
> I expressed opinions which happen to be consistent, as far as I know, with
> DIR and yours.  Everything else has been explanation to those either
> interested enough to want to understand better or so closed minded that
> their only interest is to try to discredit what I said without bothering to
> understand.  Does it really matter where good information comes from, or is
> it only permissable for those that you know to share it?
> 
> Thanks for the plug for my website.  Glad you liked the pictures.  The most
> recent addition to that site was in 1969.  I've done a bit of diving since
> then, so whatever you think you know about me or my diving is just a tad
> outdated.
> 
>> Your diving experience is hanging out there on the web (placed there by
> you)
>> for anybody in the world to see and to draw their own conclusions. And
>> anybody can see, after a very brief period of time, that you are not a
>> technical diver.
> 
> I suppose we would have to define technical diver.  It is absolutely certain
> that I am NOT a WKPP class technical diver and it's highly unlikely that I
> ever will be, even if I've learned a great deal from them.  Heck, between
> his insults, I've even learned quite a bit from George.
> 
> Lee
> 
> 

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