Chuck Noe wrote:

I've mostly been quiet on this due to trying to learn so far all I've learned
is YOU
say 1 thing Trey say's another. Where are the FACTS ME findings etc. Till I see
those
I'll take Trey's word over yours since HE has the records in diving and so far
all i
know of you is what i've read in here and Rodales Scuba Diving mag. (Which in my
opinion is LESS than stellar).


> If you don't wish to know and learn from the facts surrounding the death of a
> fellow cave diver, then stick your head in the sand and hit the "delete"
button.

I'd agree with the below. WHERE are the FACTS? S we CAN learn from them.

>
>
> The investigation of cave diving fatalities is one of the MOST IMPORTANT
functions
> of our community and any efforts to subvert that process should be strenuously
> opposed.
>

On this I really have no opinion.

>
> Do you think I'm HAVING FUN here?!!
>

You are right I don't see ya post much. BUT what you have posted so far seems
more
toward attacking Trey's creditability than otherwise. I DON'T see that as
positive.


>
> I don't go around posting the usual nonsense to these lists so please bear
with me
> while I try to do something positive.
>
> Chuck
>
> justin turnbow wrote:
>
> > HEY CHUCK IF YOU HAVE SUCH A HARD-ON FOR GEORGE E-MAIL
> > HIM IN PERSON AND QUITE WASTING SPACE ON THE TECHDIVER
> > LIST SOME OF US GOT ON THIS LIST TO LEARN SOMETHING
> > NOT TO SEE DID NOT DID TOO >
> > P.S. FOR A PERSONAL COMMENT OF MY OWN GOL IS DEAD
> > LEARN FROM HIS DEATH AND MOVE ON . IF YOU LIVE IN THE PAST
> > THE FUTURE WILL PASS YOU BY .
> > AND  GUYS LIKE GEORGE ARE LIVING IN THE NOW
> > SORRY FOR YOUR LOSS AND PRAY HOPE THAT YOU LEARN TOO
> > RELEASE YOUR HATE YOU HOLD INSIDE IT (HATE) IS A CANCER
> > AND IT WILL EAT YOU UP INSIDE
> > PEACE OUT AND MERRY CHRISTMAS
> > JUSTIN TURNBOW
> >
> > George Irvine wrote:
> >
> > > This is complete bullshit.  The fact is that you, Chuck Noe, were booted
off
> > > the WKPP by me because you are a complete and total stroke.
> > >
> > > It's well known in WKPP that anybody caught diving with you will be booted
> > > off the team.
> > >
> > > You are a complete liar.
> > >
> > > 1.)  We have the coroner's report.
> > > 2.)  I am the guy who schedules divers and I DID NOT have Gol scheduled
for
> > > any dives in the approaching dive weekend.  If Gol was planning on
attending
> > > one of our events, he would not have been in the water.
> > > 3.)  Gol was told by his doctor not to dive following the last round of
> > > seizures.
> > > 4.)  The bottle had a label on it marked 500psi He, not 100% Helium
> > > 5.)  The bottle had no gas in it at all after the dive
> > > 6.)  Even an idiot like you knows that if you were breathing pure helium,
> > > you'd never be able to breathe a full 500 psi in shallow water before you
> > > went out.
> > > 7.)  Furthermore, if he had been diving with WKPP divers, under WKPP
rules,
> > > none of these uncertainties would be possible anyway and his buddy would
not
> > > have let him dive in the first place.
> > > 8.)  He told the guy he was diving with that he was "feeling better" and
> > > wanted to try diving.
> > >
> > > Chuck, do you know how I maintain the safety record of the WKPP?  By
keeping
> > > people like you away from it.
> > >
> > > You're just like every other lying stroke out there - you take hearsay,
> > > bullshit, half-truths and incomplete information and then try to assign
some
> > > value to it.  And Chuck, it wasn't just me who kicked you off the team, it
> > > was the whole team.
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Chuck Noe [mailto:chucknoe@ca*.co*]
> > > Sent: Friday, December 12, 3502 12:43 AM
> > > Subject: Re: DIR Fatalities
> > >
> > > To: techdiver@aquanaut.com
> > >
> > > Okay George; I've about had it with your fucking lies.
> > >
> > > For the record Jonathan Gol did not die of any
> > >
> > > "massive brain hemmorage" or any other medical
> > >
> > > condition.
> > >
> > > Your assertion that Jonathan was "on leave" from
> > >
> > > diving with the team is also crap. I have first-hand
> > >
> > > knowledge that he was asked to and was planning on
> > >
> > > participating in your approaching dive weekend.
> > >
> > > Also his best friend and personal physician told
> > >
> > > me in person that Jonathan had been "released" to
> > >
> > > resume diving by the specialists who had treated
> > >
> > > him earlier in the summer for his ailments.
> > >
> > > All that crap you posted on Quest was a bunch of
> > >
> > > lies designed to protect you and your project
> > >
> > > from criticism.
> > >
> > > Everybody in the know realizes that Jonathan's death
> > >
> > > was brought on from breathing 100% HELIUM while at
> > >
> > > his deco stop and we are just awaiting the final
> > >
> > > test results from the NEDU before discussing this
> > >
> > > publicly.
> > >
> > > Jonathan was a dear friend of mine who made the terrible
> > >
> > > mistake of temporarily transferring helium into an
> > >
> > > aluminum 40. He went so far as to marking the bottle
> > >
> > > "100% HE / 500 psi" with duct tape. But he ignored
> > >
> > > the markings while on this fatal dive. These are all
> > >
> > > facts which can be confirmed by the Jackson County
> > >
> > > Sheriff's Department.
> > >
> > > What is even sadder is that YOU feel compelled to lie
> > >
> > > about all of this in order to protect your "perfect safety
> > >
> > > record" which we ALL know is a joke. I can admire your
> > >
> > > team accomplishments and the strides that have been made,
> > >
> > > but to say that there haven't been bumps along the way
> > >
> > > is senseless.
> > >
> > > Jonathan was a fine human being and a skilled and
> > >
> > > accomplished diver. Why can you not admit that he made
> > >
> > > a mistake and let us all learn from that?
> > >
> > > Chuck Noe
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