OK This must be the rebuttal you mentioned in your outer post. i JUST read it in
techdiver. Seems we had our mail lines crossed up. I was getting the private
mail
BEFORE the mailing list mail.

As i mentioned I was serious and NOT meaning it as a joke.

To me a persons death for what ever reasons is NOT a joking affair.

Safe Diving.

L8R

Chuck Noe wrote:

> George Irvine wrote:
>
> > This is complete bullshit.
>
> It certainly is.
>
> > The fact is that you, Chuck Noe, were booted off
> > the WKPP by me because you are a complete and total stroke.
>
> .....and the fact that I stood up and identified you as "the Emperor Who Wore
No
> Clothes" two years ago. Don't you think I would have kept my mouth shut if I
had
> ambitions of diving in the WKPP?
>
> > It's well known in WKPP that anybody caught diving with you will be booted
> > off the team.
>
> So what?
>
> > You are a complete liar.
>
> You just dig yourself a deeper hole calling ME a liar when everybody knows you
> are so full of shit.
>
> > 1.)  We have the coroner's report.
>
> The FAMILY has the medical information. YOU do not! The ME report specifically
> rules out any major brain hemorrhage.
>
> > 2.)  I am the guy who schedules divers and I DID NOT have Gol scheduled for
> > any dives in the approaching dive weekend.
>
> Then you should have mentioned that to Casey.
>
> >  If Gol was planning on attending one of our events, he would not have been
in
> > the water.
>
> Jonathan's mentor (and your training director) Scott Landon told the family
> before the funeral that "Jonathan was not restricted from diving with the team
> and that they didn't even know that he had been ill".
>
> > 3.)  Gol was told by his doctor not to dive following the last round of
> > seizures.
>
> Jonathan's best friend, Dr. Harry Sokolow, told me, Landon, and the family
that
> Jonathan had been cleared to dive following his earlier illness.
>
> > 4.)  The bottle had a label on it marked 500psi He, not 100% Helium
>
> Wrong. There are pictures of this label George. And the equipment was
inspected
> by my dive buddy as well as your medical director. Check with the Jackson
County
> Sheriff's Department if you like; they all know the truth.
>
> > 5.)  The bottle had no gas in it at all after the dive
>
> That is true. The remaining pressure in the bottle escaped during his
recovery.
> But the ambient pressure remained and has been analyzed by the Navy. It had a
> high percentage of helium in the residual gas, even though the valve was loose
> in the bottle.
>
> > 6.)  Even an idiot like you knows that if you were breathing pure helium,
> > you'd never be able to breathe a full 500 psi in shallow water before you
> > went out.
>
> True again. But nobody said he consumed the entire 500 psi. It was lost during
> his recovery. Several people witnessed this.
>
> > 7.)  Furthermore, if he had been diving with WKPP divers, under WKPP rules,
> > none of these uncertainties would be possible anyway and his buddy would not
> > have let him dive in the first place.
>
> I cannot speculate on what would have happened had he been diving with a team
> member as a buddy. Every person did everything they could to save Jonathan's
> life. There were other team members on-site though.
>
> > 8.)  He told the guy he was diving with that he was "feeling better" and
> > wanted to try diving.
>
> I'm not sure Jonathan was in any physical condition to attempt a big dive but
he
> was slowly progressing back into the swing of things. He had completed shallow
> dives the weekend before and was moving up to deeper (albeit easy) dives at
JB.
> His plan was to dive Wakulla two weeks after that if everything went well.
> Jonathan had been very sick earlier in the Spring but had been out of the
> hospital for several weeks and was indeed feeling better. Still I'm not sure
> that he was ready to do any big dives but his medical condition is not what
> killed him.
>
> > Chuck, do you know how I maintain the safety record of the WKPP?  By keeping
> > people like you away from it.
>
> You never saw me breathing the long hose in my van at the parking lot at
> Wakulla. You can't say that about several others though.
>
> > You're just like every other lying stroke out there - you take hearsay,
> > bullshit, half-truths and incomplete information and then try to assign some
> > value to it.
>
> Jonathan's friends and family don't give a damn about your ego. You have no
> accurate information. You only have a desire to protect your own ass. What I
> don't understand is "why you feel so threatened". Jonathan made a mistake and
he
> paid for it with his life. This could happen to any member of your team. Your
> unwillingness to admit that your team members are human does them a huge
> disservice. Luckily most of them are extremely intelligent and competent
> individuals who think for themselves in spite of your rantings.
>
> >  And Chuck, it wasn't just me who kicked you off the team, it
> > was the whole team.
>
> That's pitiful. Why don't you just let all this pass? I don't even expect a
> retraction or apology from you.
>
> Chuck
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Chuck Noe [mailto:chucknoe@ca*.co*]
> > Sent: Friday, December 12, 3502 12:43 AM
> > Subject: Re: DIR Fatalities
> >
> > To: techdiver@aquanaut.com
> >
> > Okay George; I've about had it with your fucking lies.
> >
> > For the record Jonathan Gol did not die of any
> >
> > "massive brain hemmorage" or any other medical
> >
> > condition.
> >
> > Your assertion that Jonathan was "on leave" from
> >
> > diving with the team is also crap. I have first-hand
> >
> > knowledge that he was asked to and was planning on
> >
> > participating in your approaching dive weekend.
> >
> > Also his best friend and personal physician told
> >
> > me in person that Jonathan had been "released" to
> >
> > resume diving by the specialists who had treated
> >
> > him earlier in the summer for his ailments.
> >
> > All that crap you posted on Quest was a bunch of
> >
> > lies designed to protect you and your project
> >
> > from criticism.
> >
> > Everybody in the know realizes that Jonathan's death
> >
> > was brought on from breathing 100% HELIUM while at
> >
> > his deco stop and we are just awaiting the final
> >
> > test results from the NEDU before discussing this
> >
> > publicly.
> >
> > Jonathan was a dear friend of mine who made the terrible
> >
> > mistake of temporarily transferring helium into an
> >
> > aluminum 40. He went so far as to marking the bottle
> >
> > "100% HE / 500 psi" with duct tape. But he ignored
> >
> > the markings while on this fatal dive. These are all
> >
> > facts which can be confirmed by the Jackson County
> >
> > Sheriff's Department.
> >
> > What is even sadder is that YOU feel compelled to lie
> >
> > about all of this in order to protect your "perfect safety
> >
> > record" which we ALL know is a joke. I can admire your
> >
> > team accomplishments and the strides that have been made,
> >
> > but to say that there haven't been bumps along the way
> >
> > is senseless.
> >
> > Jonathan was a fine human being and a skilled and
> >
> > accomplished diver. Why can you not admit that he made
> >
> > a mistake and let us all learn from that?
> >
> > Chuck Noe
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