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By the way, Navy said the same thing: it would cost too much and not even be allowed to run "tests" doing what the WKPP does every weekend. They estimated the cost at $20,000 per diver per day. I'd like to see the cost that the "scientific community" would attach to getting survey data 19,000 feet back in a cave at 300 feet. The State of Florida and the Federal Government both have some idea of the value of what we do, or they would not be cooperating with us so well. Maybe in two weeks when I have to spend my weekend before Christmas with the Marine Corps teaching their guys how to scooter with a lot of gear , I can get some of our detractors to go with me and tell them all what morons we are. It will be a tough sell, just like the "scientific" baloney, because they , like everyone else, heard about and saw what we do and called me. -----Original Message----- From: Scott Hunsucker [mailto:swhac@ho*.co*] Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 10:35 PM To: techdiver@aquanaut.com Subject: "scientific community" and the Oxygen Clock Just thought I would pass this along to the peanut gallery. Seems the "scientific community" comes to us after all. Sort of puts you, as well as the research you rely on, in your place doesn't Black? Buy your conference tickets to UHMS for the next several years Black and you can come hear me, and the some of the best minds in hyperbaric medicine, explain why what we do works. Oh, and BTW I promise not to be profane ;-). Sincerely, Scott Hunsucker >From: "Eugene W Hobbs" >To: Scott Hunsucker <swhac@ho*.co*> >Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: Oxygen Clock >Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 20:35:50 -0500 >X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on Othello/DUMC_Services/mc/Duke(Release >5.0.8 |June 18, 2001) at > 12/10/2001 08:35:53 PM > > >Hey Scott, > >The key here is to realize that most people take the things they read at >face value. Especially if the facts they read come from a seemingly >reputable source like the US Navy, NOAA, or DAN. > >The problem is that every study that has ever been done has flaws. Most >people don't look into the methods to see how the data is collected and >interpreted. One of the biggest problems I see with all of the studies in >the literature on diving from a decompression or O2 standpoint is that the >numbers are low. The tests that were and are conducted to determine safety >are very expensive. Most of the procedures that are currently in use have >been around for years and work. They were tested on a small group and sent >to the field. Why wound anyone spend more money to fix something that they >do not operationally perceive as broken? > >Technology has advanced to the point that everyone can be a part of a >better global understanding of what happens to the body during any type of >environmental exposure. It is important that people such as your group >continue to push the limits. It is the only way to continue expanding on >the current accepted wealth of knowledge, most of which is over 20 - 30 >years old. I am very happy that you are working with us to record your >dives and various outcomes. You guys are doing things as a part of your >daily routine that we would NEVER be able to get funding to look into. >There is no baseline data even close so there is no telling what the future >may hold. > > Just remember: "All great truths begin as blasphemies." - George Bernard >Shaw > >Just my opinion, for what that is worth... > >Take care and see you soon, >G > >Gene Hobbs >Medical Simulation Coordinator >Human Simulation and Patient Safety Center >Center for Hyperbaric Medicine and Environmental Physiology >Duke University Medical Center >DUMC box 3437 >Durham, NC 27710 > >From: Scott Hunsucker <swhac@ho*.co*> on 12/09/2001 06:35 PM CST > >Subject: Fwd: Re: Oxygen Clock >Hey Gene what do you think of this? >Scott > > > >From: "Michael J. Black" <mjblackmd@ya*.co*> > >Subject: Re: Oxygen Clock > >The problem with the WKPP and DIR, Isaac, is that they have > >no credibility in the scientific community, and make up their > >own rules as they do their dives. Their denial of diving > >accidents and fatalities in their ranks is legendary, so > >anything they do to disprove or challenge credible scientific > >data (US Navy, NOAA, DAN) is suspect. Furthermore they claim > >that those agencies who have done the research and written the > >rules do not stay current with their data, another false claim. > >Add to this the fact that nearly all of them have to shout, > >lie, swear, threaten, and behave like juveniles to stay in an > >argument, and it is clear what the problem is. They may do some > >impressive diving in their own world, but cannot expect the rest > >of the world to take them seriously. > > > >MJB -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
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