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From: Gilldiver@ao*.co*
Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 08:16:04 EST
Subject: Re: Full DIR Center, was RE: Re: [cavers] RE: GI and SS to Merge
To: techdiver@aquanaut.com

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In a message dated 11/10/2001 2:47:10 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
se2schul@st*.ma*.uw*.ca* writes:


> You say:
> "No stroke divers and gear will be welcome, as I won4t dive with
> them, I will teach exclusively GUE training only  for the serious diver
> wanting to put the required effort, we are not trying to pretend we are
> committed, as we really believed that the DIR system is the safest way to
> go."
> 
> 

Ok, this is really getting silly. I cannot believe how serious some people 
take themselves on this list. 

Here are a few things to remember:

1) GUE is not an entry level type program. If you go to:

http://www.gue.com/classroom/gue-faq1.html

And read it you will see that GUE works with divers who have diving 
experience. It is also not for divers who want to go to the islands 1 or 2 
times a year and never go past 100'.

2) A good shop can survive on Open Water 1 & 2 classes and selling the mask, 
fins, and snorkels required by that level of instruction. I have not used a 
snorkel in years but I will teach an entry level diver to use one as they 
will most likely need one on their first trip to the islands. For snorkeling 
if nothing else.

3) How many dive shops out there do Deep wreck/cave only?

Lets face it, none in the Northeast as they have to live off the island diver

4) How big is the Deep diving market?  In the US I would put it at less then 
20,000 and most likely much less then 100,000 world wide. You may be leading 
the diving but if there was a good size market for this stuff do you really 
think that EE, Abyss, OMS, GUE, Diverite, and the others would be around if 
the big dive companies wanted this part of the market.

Come on some of you must have done some type of Business School. Do a quick 
case study and see of you could put together a growth business plan that you 
would do?

5) Then get a life. Diving should be fun but some of you are making it into a 
religion.

Pete Johnson

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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT  SIZE=2>In a message dated
11/10/2001 2:47:10 PM Eastern Standard Time, se2schul@st*.ma*.uw*.ca* writes:
<BR>
<BR>
<BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid;
MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">You say:
<BR>"No stroke divers and gear will be welcome, as I won4t dive with
<BR>them, I will teach exclusively GUE training only  for the serious
diver
<BR>wanting to put the required effort, we are not trying to pretend we are
<BR>committed, as we really believed that the DIR system is the safest way to
<BR>go."
<BR>
<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BR>
<BR>Ok, this is really getting silly. I cannot believe how serious some
people take themselves on this list. 
<BR>
<BR>Here are a few things to remember:
<BR>
<BR>1) GUE is not an entry level type program. If you go to:
<BR>
<BR>http://www.gue.com/classroom/gue-faq1.html
<BR>
<BR>And read it you will see that GUE works with divers who have diving
experience. It is also not for divers who want to go to the islands 1 or 2
times a year and never go past 100'.
<BR>
<BR>2) A good shop can survive on Open Water 1 & 2 classes and selling
the mask, fins, and snorkels required by that level of instruction. I have not
used a snorkel in years but I will teach an entry level diver to use one as
they will most likely need one on their first trip to the islands. For
snorkeling if nothing else.
<BR>
<BR>3) How many dive shops out there do Deep wreck/cave only?
<BR>
<BR>Lets face it, none in the Northeast as they have to live off the island
diver
<BR>
<BR>4) How big is the Deep diving market?  In the US I would put it at
less then 20,000 and most likely much less then 100,000 world wide. You may be
leading the diving but if there was a good size market for this stuff do you
really think that EE, Abyss, OMS, GUE, Diverite, and the others would be around
if the big dive companies wanted this part of the market.
<BR>
<BR>Come on some of you must have done some type of Business School. Do a
quick case study and see of you could put together a growth business plan that
you would do?
<BR>
<BR>5) Then get a life. Diving should be fun but some of you are making it
into a religion.
<BR>
<BR>Pete Johnson</FONT></HTML>

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