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What do you do for a living, Terry? Troll? Tell us more about your principles, please! Cam On Friday, November 9, 2001, at 06:12 PM, terry michael wrote: > Tankboots are necessary for pool dives. As for rationalizing selling or > stocking inferior dive equipment "products" being "OK" to make a buck. > That's complete stroke bullshit in my opinion. I'd personally rather find > another line of work then betray principles that I believe in. > > -----Original Message----- > From: "Gertje"<gert.je@wo*.nl*> > To: ScottBonis@ao*.co*, jimholcomb@x-*.co*, techdiver@aquanaut.com, > cavers@ca*.co*, quest@gu*.co* > Date: Fri Nov 09 03:19:59 PST 2001 > Subject: Re: [cavers] RE: GI and SS to Merge > >> Scott, >> >> Never been at Brownies, have you? >> [they even sell tankboots!!!!!!!! ;-) ] >> If there is ONE shop that's supposed to DIR, it's them. Two >> GUE-instructors >> behind the counter, several GUE courses a year given. And EVEN THEY have >> to >> sell strokegear to keep paying the bills. >> DIR won't feed you, cashflow does! >> By selling the shit and making money out of it, they can develop new >> DIR-gear and keep our show on the road. >> They only can ADVISE the people that come in, to DIR. >> >> If you go to a hardwarestore for a tool, and they only sell a brand you >> have >> never heard of, and looks 'strangely differend' from the tool you learned >> to >> work with in class, what would YOU do? I would go to another shop that >> gives >> me a choice. I MIGHT buy the 'strange' looking tool, but only after I had >> a >> chance to listen to the salesrep. and compare. >> >> Gertjan >> [the Netherlands] >> >>> Hi Jim, >>> >>> I am sending this message to three separate lists as your message, to >> which I >>> am replying, was sent to these three same lists. >>> >>> Jim, I guess that your message explains a major portion of the difference >>> between you and me. You see I could never supply gear to anyone that I >>> thought was not the proper gear for that person to be using in any given >>> situation. >>> >>> Your boast of << I sold tons of bullshit stroke gear ... <snip> ... folks >>> have got to sell stuff to pay the bills. You going to make my house >> payment >>> while I sit on my ass and be a purist? >> , and the rest of your message >>> indicating to me that you knew that what you were selling was not >> acceptable >>> gear at the time you sold it, is so repulsive that I find it hard to >> contain >>> my disgust for your actions. It is people like you, using the excuse >>> that >> "I >>> need to make a living," that are a detriment to the scuba diving industry >> and >>> IMHO, just possibly the cause of various scuba accidents. "Farm animal >>> stupid" is too kind for you because you knew that what you were doing was >>> wrong at the time you were doing it. Make a living some other way, but >> not >>> by knowingly placing divers in potentially unacceptably dangerous >>> predicaments. >>> >>> To me, there is no reason to ever supply a diver with unacceptable >> equipment >>> for him or her to use in any given situation. Either supply acceptable >> gear >>> or inform the diver that the proposed diving cannot be accomplished >>> safely >>> with the other gear that you have presently for sale. And then offer to >> help >>> get (special order, alternate supplier, more expensive initially but >> second >>> hand, etc.) alternative acceptable gear to satisfy the diver's needs. >> This >>> is known as professionalism and any other course of action is, IMHO >> grossly >>> irresponsible if not downright criminal. >>> >>> I am certainly glad that your message is in the past tense << ... until >>> a >>> couple weeks ago, I ran a dive shop in Atlanta. >>, as I'd rather not >>> need >> to >>> think about your still supplying unacceptable equipment to divers. >>> >>> And you profess to support the DIR philosophy??? Is that "use acceptable >>> equipment unless that doesn't sell and then Jim Holcomb can make a little >>> more money by having someone buy unacceptable equipment"? Just whom do >> you >>> think you're kidding? >>> >>> But then, this is just one instructor's opinion. >>> >>> Take care and dive safe, Scott >>> >>> Some weeks it's just not worth the effort to gnaw through the restraints >> and >>> scramble up out of the pit. >>> >>> >>> >>> In a message dated 11/7/01 7:59:18 PM, jimholcomb@x-*.co* writes: >>> >>> << Well, in a fucked up kind of way, I agree. But wouldn't it be a whole >> lot >>> more hypocritical to sell a stroke "stroke" gear. Up until a couple >>> weeks >>> ago, I ran a dive shop in Atlanta. I sold tons of bullshit stroke gear >>> to >>> folks. If you got to sell something to somebody to pay the bills it >>> would >>> probably be better to sell them gear oriented toward the DIR philosophy >>> as >>> opposed to some of that shit I sold. My point being, folks have got to >>> sell stuff to pay the bills. You going to make my house payment while I >> sit >>> on my ass and be a purist? Better to sell DIR stuff to strokes than >>> stroke >>> shit to strokes. Make any sense????? >>> >>> Jim Holcomb >> >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: quest-unsubscribe@gu*.co* >>> For additional commands, e-mail: quest-help@gu*.co* >>> >>> >> >> -- >> Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. >> Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. > > > ___________________________________________________ > GO.com Mail > Get Your Free, Private E-mail at http://mail.go.com > > > -- > Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. > Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. > -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
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