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Well for sure I don't sell or promote inferior dive equipment to strokes for a living. -----Original Message----- From: "Cam Banks"<cam@ca*.co*> To: "terry michael"<OEA51@go*.co*> Cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com, cavers@ca*.co*, quest@gu*.co* Date: Sat Nov 10 13:41:27 PST 2001 Subject: Re: [cavers] RE: GI and SS to Merge >What do you do for a living, Terry? Troll? Tell us more about your >principles, please! > >Cam > >On Friday, November 9, 2001, at 06:12 PM, terry michael wrote: > >> Tankboots are necessary for pool dives. As for rationalizing selling or >> stocking inferior dive equipment "products" being "OK" to make a buck. >> That's complete stroke bullshit in my opinion. I'd personally rather find >> another line of work then betray principles that I believe in. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: "Gertje"<gert.je@wo*.nl*> >> To: ScottBonis@ao*.co*, jimholcomb@x-*.co*, techdiver@aquanaut.com, >> cavers@ca*.co*, quest@gu*.co* >> Date: Fri Nov 09 03:19:59 PST 2001 >> Subject: Re: [cavers] RE: GI and SS to Merge >> >>> Scott, >>> >>> Never been at Brownies, have you? >>> [they even sell tankboots!!!!!!!! ;-) ] >>> If there is ONE shop that's supposed to DIR, it's them. Two >>> GUE-instructors >>> behind the counter, several GUE courses a year given. And EVEN THEY have >>> to >>> sell strokegear to keep paying the bills. >>> DIR won't feed you, cashflow does! >>> By selling the shit and making money out of it, they can develop new >>> DIR-gear and keep our show on the road. >>> They only can ADVISE the people that come in, to DIR. >>> >>> If you go to a hardwarestore for a tool, and they only sell a brand you >>> have >>> never heard of, and looks 'strangely differend' from the tool you learned >>> to >>> work with in class, what would YOU do? I would go to another shop that >>> gives >>> me a choice. I MIGHT buy the 'strange' looking tool, but only after I had >>> a >>> chance to listen to the salesrep. and compare. >>> >>> Gertjan >>> [the Netherlands] >>> >>>> Hi Jim, >>>> >>>> I am sending this message to three separate lists as your message, to >>> which I >>>> am replying, was sent to these three same lists. >>>> >>>> Jim, I guess that your message explains a major portion of the difference >>>> between you and me. You see I could never supply gear to anyone that I >>>> thought was not the proper gear for that person to be using in any given >>>> situation. >>>> >>>> Your boast of << I sold tons of bullshit stroke gear ... <snip> ... folks >>>> have got to sell stuff to pay the bills. You going to make my house >>> payment >>>> while I sit on my ass and be a purist? >> , and the rest of your message >>>> indicating to me that you knew that what you were selling was not >>> acceptable >>>> gear at the time you sold it, is so repulsive that I find it hard to >>> contain >>>> my disgust for your actions. It is people like you, using the excuse >>>> that >>> "I >>>> need to make a living," that are a detriment to the scuba diving industry >>> and >>>> IMHO, just possibly the cause of various scuba accidents. "Farm animal >>>> stupid" is too kind for you because you knew that what you were doing was >>>> wrong at the time you were doing it. Make a living some other way, but >>> not >>>> by knowingly placing divers in potentially unacceptably dangerous >>>> predicaments. >>>> >>>> To me, there is no reason to ever supply a diver with unacceptable >>> equipment >>>> for him or her to use in any given situation. Either supply acceptable >>> gear >>>> or inform the diver that the proposed diving cannot be accomplished >>>> safely >>>> with the other gear that you have presently for sale. And then offer to >>> help >>>> get (special order, alternate supplier, more expensive initially but >>> second >>>> hand, etc.) alternative acceptable gear to satisfy the diver's needs. >>> This >>>> is known as professionalism and any other course of action is, IMHO >>> grossly >>>> irresponsible if not downright criminal. >>>> >>>> I am certainly glad that your message is in the past tense << ... until >>>> a >>>> couple weeks ago, I ran a dive shop in Atlanta. >>, as I'd rather not >>>> need >>> to >>>> think about your still supplying unacceptable equipment to divers. >>>> >>>> And you profess to support the DIR philosophy??? Is that "use acceptable >>>> equipment unless that doesn't sell and then Jim Holcomb can make a little >>>> more money by having someone buy unacceptable equipment"? Just whom do >>> you >>>> think you're kidding? >>>> >>>> But then, this is just one instructor's opinion. >>>> >>>> Take care and dive safe, Scott >>>> >>>> Some weeks it's just not worth the effort to gnaw through the restraints >>> and >>>> scramble up out of the pit. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> In a message dated 11/7/01 7:59:18 PM, jimholcomb@x-*.co* writes: >>>> >>>> << Well, in a fucked up kind of way, I agree. But wouldn't it be a whole >>> lot >>>> more hypocritical to sell a stroke "stroke" gear. Up until a couple >>>> weeks >>>> ago, I ran a dive shop in Atlanta. I sold tons of bullshit stroke gear >>>> to >>>> folks. If you got to sell something to somebody to pay the bills it >>>> would >>>> probably be better to sell them gear oriented toward the DIR philosophy >>>> as >>>> opposed to some of that shit I sold. My point being, folks have got to >>>> sell stuff to pay the bills. You going to make my house payment while I >>> sit >>>> on my ass and be a purist? Better to sell DIR stuff to strokes than >>>> stroke >>>> shit to strokes. Make any sense????? >>>> >>>> Jim Holcomb >> >>>> >>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: quest-unsubscribe@gu*.co* >>>> For additional commands, e-mail: quest-help@gu*.co* >>>> >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. >>> Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. >> >> >> ___________________________________________________ >> GO.com Mail >> Get Your Free, Private E-mail at http://mail.go.com >> >> >> -- >> Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. >> Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. >> > ___________________________________________________ GO.com Mail Get Your Free, Private E-mail at http://mail.go.com -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. 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