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From: ScottBonis@ao*.co*
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 20:18:08 EST
Subject: Re: [cavers] RE: GI and SS to Merge
To: jimholcomb@x-*.co*, techdiver@aquanaut.com, cavers@ca*.co*,
     quest@gu*.co*
Hi Jim,

I am sending this message to three separate lists as your message, to which I 
am replying, was sent to these three same lists.

Jim, I guess that your message explains a major portion of the difference 
between you and me.  You see I could never supply gear to anyone that I 
thought was not the proper gear for that person to be using in any given 
situation.

Your boast of << I sold tons of bullshit stroke gear ... <snip> ...
folks 
have got to sell stuff to pay the bills. You going to make my house payment 
while I sit on my ass and be a purist? >> , and the rest of your message 
indicating to me that you knew that what you were selling was not acceptable 
gear at the time you sold it, is so repulsive that I find it hard to contain 
my disgust for your actions.  It is people like you, using the excuse that "I 
need to make a living," that are a detriment to the scuba diving industry and 
IMHO, just possibly the cause of various scuba accidents.  "Farm animal 
stupid" is too kind for you because you knew that what you were doing was 
wrong at the time you were doing it.  Make a living some other way, but not 
by knowingly placing divers in potentially unacceptably dangerous 
predicaments.

To me, there is no reason to ever supply a diver with unacceptable equipment 
for him or her to use in any given situation.  Either supply acceptable gear 
or inform the diver that the proposed diving cannot be accomplished safely 
with the other gear that you have presently for sale.  And then offer to help 
get (special order, alternate supplier, more expensive initially but second 
hand, etc.) alternative acceptable gear to satisfy the diver's needs.  This 
is known as professionalism and any other course of action is, IMHO grossly 
irresponsible if not downright criminal.

I am certainly glad that your message is in the past tense << ... until a 
couple weeks ago, I ran a dive shop in Atlanta. >>, as I'd rather not need to 
think about your still supplying unacceptable equipment to divers.

And you profess to support the DIR philosophy???  Is that "use acceptable 
equipment unless that doesn't sell and then Jim Holcomb can make a little 
more money by having someone buy unacceptable equipment"?  Just whom do you 
think you're kidding?

But then, this is just one instructor's opinion.

Take care and dive safe,       Scott

Some weeks it's just not worth the effort to gnaw through the restraints and 
scramble up out of the pit.



In a message dated 11/7/01 7:59:18 PM, jimholcomb@x-*.co* writes:

<< Well, in a fucked up kind of way, I agree. But wouldn't it be a whole
lot 
more hypocritical to sell a stroke "stroke" gear.  Up until a couple weeks 
ago, I ran a dive shop in Atlanta.  I sold tons of bullshit stroke gear to 
folks.  If you got to sell something to somebody to pay the bills it would 
probably be better to sell them gear oriented toward the DIR philosophy as 
opposed to some of that shit I sold.  My point being, folks have got to 
sell stuff to pay the bills. You going to make my house payment while I sit 
on my ass and be a purist? Better to sell DIR stuff to strokes than stroke 
shit to strokes. Make any sense?????

Jim Holcomb >>
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