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How I love a passionate response.

As a reseller of dive equipment I cannot believe some of the BS dive gear
that I'm asked to stock.  The hard truth is that if the diving customer sees
something in the magazine and that customer perceives that that product will
improve their diving performance or enjoyment that customer is going to find
it somewhere.
I personally only stock high quality dive gear, equipment that I would dive
with myself.  I guess the question is "Do you sell any diver life support
equipment which is unsafe?" and the answer to that question is absolutely
not.  So I suppose if Joe Dive Dink shows up in my store and wants me to
order him a Master Reef Watcher Snorkel Keeper which retails for $29.95 and
cost me 39 cents I'll order it for him and it won't kill him.
Kevin
  -----Original Message-----
  From: cavers-admin@sa*.or* [mailto:cavers-admin@sa*.or*]On Behalf Of
Jim Holcomb
  Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 9:04 PM
  To: ScottBonis@ao*.co*; techdiver@aquanaut.com; cavers@ca*.co*;
quest@gu*.co*
  Subject: Re: [cavers] RE: GI and SS to Merge


  Nice post, cheesedick.
  Wake up and get real.  I said I sold tons of stroke shit - never said I
sold defective shit.  If a person wanted a Tusa Liberator BC  I sold them
one.  If a person wanted three computers to dive with - I sold them.  I a
person wanted a "hyperdry" snorkel - I sold them.  I knew the gear I was
selling was unacceptable to ME - if they wanted the stuff - I sold it.  What
did you do with your stroke shit when you were ready to get rid of it - burn
it? You find it hard to contain your disgust for my actions?????  because I
sold shit at a dive store???????  Fuck you, bonehead!  How many dive stores
in Atlanta that mainly cater to 2 weekender a year divers going to the
Caymans do you know of that don't carry BC's and snorkels and gadget shit.
".....grossly irresponsible if not downright criminal"??????????  Are you
telling me that everyone that sells non-DIR shit should be in fucking
jail?!?!?!?!?!  What about Halcyon's weight system???  How many dive shops
can you name that carry ONLY what can be used from a DIR perspective??????
I am truly flattereed that you think I carry enough fucking influence in the
dive industry to bring it to ruin by my actions!!  You are truly a dumb
fuck.  Maybe you need to go back and read the damn thread again because you
APPARENTLY didn't quite get it the first time through. Then again, you never
have made much sense in your posts anyway. And yes, numbnuts, I person can
adopt the DIR philosophy and STILL SELL SOMEBODY A FUCKING TUSA BC.

  Jesus tapdancin' Christ!!!!

  Jim Holcomb

  At 08:18 PM 11/8/2001 -0500, ScottBonis@ao*.co* wrote:

    Hi Jim,

    I am sending this message to three separate lists as your message, to
which I
    am replying, was sent to these three same lists.

    Jim, I guess that your message explains a major portion of the
difference
    between you and me.  You see I could never supply gear to anyone that I
    thought was not the proper gear for that person to be using in any given
    situation.

    Your boast of << I sold tons of bullshit stroke gear ... <snip> ...
folks
    have got to sell stuff to pay the bills. You going to make my house
payment
    while I sit on my ass and be a purist? >> , and the rest of your message
    indicating to me that you knew that what you were selling was not
acceptable
    gear at the time you sold it, is so repulsive that I find it hard to
contain
    my disgust for your actions.  It is people like you, using the excuse
that "I
    need to make a living," that are a detriment to the scuba diving
industry and
    IMHO, just possibly the cause of various scuba accidents.  "Farm animal
    stupid" is too kind for you because you knew that what you were doing
was
    wrong at the time you were doing it.  Make a living some other way, but
not
    by knowingly placing divers in potentially unacceptably dangerous
    predicaments.

    To me, there is no reason to ever supply a diver with unacceptable
equipment
    for him or her to use in any given situation.  Either supply acceptable
gear
    or inform the diver that the proposed diving cannot be accomplished
safely
    with the other gear that you have presently for sale.  And then offer to
help
    get (special order, alternate supplier, more expensive initially but
second
    hand, etc.) alternative acceptable gear to satisfy the diver's needs.
This
    is known as professionalism and any other course of action is, IMHO
grossly
    irresponsible if not downright criminal.

    I am certainly glad that your message is in the past tense << ...
until
a
    couple weeks ago, I ran a dive shop in Atlanta. >>, as I'd rather not
need to
    think about your still supplying unacceptable equipment to divers.

    And you profess to support the DIR philosophy???  Is that "use
acceptable
    equipment unless that doesn't sell and then Jim Holcomb can make a
little
    more money by having someone buy unacceptable equipment"?  Just whom do
you
    think you're kidding?

    But then, this is just one instructor's opinion.

    Take care and dive safe,       Scott

    Some weeks it's just not worth the effort to gnaw through the restraints
and
    scramble up out of the pit.



    In a message dated 11/7/01 7:59:18 PM, jimholcomb@x-*.co* writes:

    << Well, in a fucked up kind of way, I agree. But wouldn't it be a
whole
lot
    more hypocritical to sell a stroke "stroke" gear.  Up until a couple
weeks
    ago, I ran a dive shop in Atlanta.  I sold tons of bullshit stroke gear
to
    folks.  If you got to sell something to somebody to pay the bills it
would
    probably be better to sell them gear oriented toward the DIR philosophy
as
    opposed to some of that shit I sold.  My point being, folks have got to
    sell stuff to pay the bills. You going to make my house payment while I
sit
    on my ass and be a purist? Better to sell DIR stuff to strokes than
stroke
    shit to strokes. Make any sense?????

    Jim Holcomb >>

  Jim Holcomb
  x-divers.com


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  [mailto:cavers-admin@sa*.or*]<B>On Behalf Of </B>Jim=20
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Fuck you,=20
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carry=20
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me.  You=20
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the=20
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bullshit =
stroke=20
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the bills.=20
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that=20
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the time=20
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disgust=20
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placing=20
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