----- Original Message -----
From: "Gordon Cancio" <gordoncancio@ho*.co*>
>
> I'd love to do what to you ask... put my money where my mouth is... and
> become a instructor. Unfortunately, I have costed a trip to Florida; sans
> tuition, it will cost me an equivalent of half a years pay from my "real
> world" job.

Gordon et. al,

I may later regret jumping into this thread but I think you are missing a
very important element of the DIR philosophy which is the mindset..
Obviously, many of us that subscribe to the DIR philosophy also use and own
gear manufactured by Halcyon..  In short, a byproduct of the close
relationaship between GUE, the DIR philosophy and Halcyon is that there is a
unique mindset associated with all three concepts, and it's basically a
minset that doesn't settle for compromises and strives to achieve maximum
efficiency, as opposed to setlling on mediocrity...

To further your point about the notion of you seeing diver's outfitted in
Halcyon gear that lacks certain diving skills I believe speaks to the point
that you've missed..  You could put the worst diver in the history of diving
in Halcyon gear and that would not make him/her a diver that subscribes to
the DIR philosophy..  On a contrary note, you could outfit JJ or George or
Andrew et. al in a pair of bondage wings, steel stages in the open ocean
etc. etc. and any other stroked out, personal preference crap that we see
here, and in practical experience, all the time and they would likely fair
well because the mindset is much more important..

I think too many make too much out of the cynergy between DIR and Halcyon
and I think that since there is a relationship it's easy for the anti-DIR
crowd to scream about conflicts of interest, rather then thruthfully address
the notion that Halcyon and GUE were born out of a shared frustration of the
staus quo in gear manufatcuring and training...

If someone wants to think small and miss the larger picture then clearly
there is plenty of trees in the forrest to look at..  But if someone wants
to see the larger picture and stop delving into meaningless minuatea, you'd
see that the philosophy, the approach and the mindset and understanding is
so much more important then the name tag on your wings..

The information is here if you want it, and there will be plenty of people
willing to spend countless hours helping you, but by the same token if
anyone wants to discect every single syllable and look for problems that
don't exsist than it's likely that such an unproductive use of your time
will be met with resistance and there will also be plenty of people willing
to debate the issues..

So basically the choice is yours as to which route you want to take...  You
can either argue, or you can ask for assistance and my sense is you'll get
either...

Later









>
> (Can you spell third world country?).
>
> In addition I don't do any "real diving". I do "work diving" which is
> assisting in U/W archeological excavations, videography and the like when
I
> can escape my office.
>
> Besides go to Florida to learn how to dive in a Dry suit?  Philippines
> waters rarely demand things thicker than 5mm neoprene, even during the
> winter months. Heck, I fun dive in 3mm shorty.
>
> Anyway, I am not accusing GUE of not being  bigger than it is. I think it
is
> great that it maintains a high quality standard. I just wanted to
emphasize
> that, in my opinion,  Halcyon (being owned by DIR advocates)  has a moral
> obligation to make sure that its equipment is used right; not unlike its
> policy  when it comes to the purchase of its rebreathers. I think it is
only
> fair that DIR moralists should also put their money where their mouth is.
>
> cheers too!
>
> Gordon
>
>
> >From: Paul Braunbehrens <Bakalite@ba*.co*>
> >To: Gordon Cancio <gordoncancio@ho*.co*>,
allysonclagett@ea*.ne*,
> >Michael.Waldbrenner@wa*.de*, bryon@be*.co*,
pina3@be*.ne*,
> >trey@ne*.co*, evlink2001@ho*.co*, quest@gu*.co*,
cavers@ca*.co*,
> >techdiver@aquanaut.com
> >Subject: Lack of DIR instruction
> >Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 21:20:52 -0800
> >
> >DIR is still a small organization.  I think it's hypocritical and
> >unfair to accuse it of not being bigger than it is.  Would you like
> >it to grow so fast that it turns into the same shit as all the other
> >organizations out there?  Andrew g. is travelling all over the place
> >to teach, trying to fill a void.  Lot's of people want DIR
> >instruction, but you instructors don't grow on trees.  They have to
> >be trained, and I for one *want* GUE to FAIL them, if they are not
> >100% up to par (which I hear is just what they do).  You'll just have
> >to wait a little and let the organization grow at it's own pace.
> >
> >If it really bothers you, put your money where your mouth is.  Go
> >through the training, work hard, and become an instructor.  I'm sure
> >they can use one more, especially in the philippines.
> >
> >Cheers!
> >
> >
> >Gordon Cancio wrote:
> >~
> >>I live in the Philippines. Halcyon is sold here, but there is no GUE
> >>or DIR training available. I think there are less than two dozen
> >>(24) locations where one can get DIR training worldwide. Very often
> >>I see fully Halcyon outfitted divers scuba diving with very poor
> >>diving habits and skills. For all intent and purposes these persons
> >>can be labelled as strokes by persons like Trey.
> >>
> >>I think it is HYPOCRITICAL of the DIR bigshots to declare that a DIR
> >>person must not dive (rule #1) or listen (Rule #2) to strokes; but
> >>it is perfectly DIR to sell a stroke gear.
> >>
> >>Sincerely,
> >>
> >>Gordon Cancio
> >>
> >>>From: "Allyson" <allysonclagett@ea*.ne*>
> >>>To: "'Michael Waldbrenner'" <Michael.Waldbrenner@wa*.de*>,
> >>>"'Bryon Bertrim'" <bryon@be*.co*>, "'pina'"
> >>><pina3@be*.ne*>, "'Trey'" <trey@ne*.co*>, "'E.N. Von'"
> >>><evlink2001@ho*.co*>, <quest@gu*.co*>, "'Cavers@Ca*.Co*'"
> >>><cavers@ca*.co*>, "'Techdiver@Aquanaut.Com'"
> >>><techdiver@aquanaut.com>
> >>>Subject: RE: GI and SS to Merge
> >>>Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 20:27:02 -0500
> >>>
> >>>There are divers who die while trusting their lives to dangerous
> >>>equipment,
> >>>I can think of a few highly publicized deaths with this regard...
perhaps
> >>>the rule you made should be revised?  :)
> >>>
> >>>-----Original Message-----
> >>>From: Michael Waldbrenner [mailto:Michael.Waldbrenner@wa*.de*]
> >>>Sent: Monday, November 05, 2001 9:53 AM
> >>>To: 'Bryon Bertrim'; pina; Trey; E.N. Von; quest@gu*.co*;
> >>>Cavers@Ca*.Co*; Techdiver@Aquanaut.Com
> >>>Subject: AW: GI and SS to Merge
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Bryon:
> >>>Just follow a simple rule:
> >>>Use only equipment from people who trust their own lifes to their own
> >>>equipment.
> >>>
> >>>Michael
> >>>
> >>><scooter stuff deleted>
> >>>
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