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From: "Joe" <joe@po*.co*>
To: <dmdalton@na*.or*>, "Aldo Solari [APS]" <aldo.solari@ho*.se*>,
     "Techdiver konferencia" ,
Subject: Re: Re[6]: UNESCO
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 16:33:30 -0700
Yea Dave!!

Aldo, don't ever forget that those blue collar American tax dollars are what
funds much of the UN and allows nobodies like you to have an opinion on
matters like this.  You are typical of what my friends 91 year old father
refers to as "An educated moron."  Twenty years of schooling and can't
figure out how not to make an ass of yourself on a public forum. How dare
you get on here and make snide remarks about the American people.  You are
just another self aggrandizing do nothing big mouth with an ego problem.
You sir are the one lacking respect for others.  By the way, if it weren't
for those blue collar American tax dollars, there would be no internet and
guys like you would wallow in the obscurity you so richly deserve.

Disgusted.

Joe Citelli



----- Original Message -----
From: dmdalton <dmdalton2000@ya*.co*>
To: Aldo Solari [APS] <aldo.solari@ho*.se*>; <techdiver@aquanaut.com>;
<RDecker388@ao*.co*>
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 5:23 AM
Subject: Re: Re[6]: UNESCO


> Aldo,
>
> Seems to me that you are the one calling names and
> insulting others. Not Bob.
>
> You may want to pick up on one of those courses that
> you so kindly recommended to Bob, I would suggest
> "English as a Second Language".  The proper insult
> would have been "blue collar American".  Please note
> America and American gets a capital "A" not a small
> "a" just like the first letter of the name of every
> country, even yours.
>
> You might wish to convey your self-righteous
> judgmental attitude and thoughts to one of our groups
> of "blue collar Americans" AKA our Firemen and
> Policemen who gave their lives responding to the
> 9/11/01 terrorist attack.  Just because you, in your
> country, wherever that might be, may have a class or
> cast system, of which you seem to feel you are at the
> top of the ladder, please note we do not here.
>
> I hope you were able to tune in to the benefit concert
> in NYC about a week ago.  If not I'll pass on the
> highlight of the evening, a quote directed to Bin
> Laden which I now direct to you.  "In the fine
> tradition of Irishmen everywhere, I say to you, YOU
> CAN KISS MY ROYAL IRISH (AMERICAN) ASS!" Approximate
> quote by a NYC blue collar worker (AKA Fireman) who
> lost his brother, another NYC Blue Collar Worker (AKA
> Fireman) in the 9/11/01 terrorist attack.
>
> Aldo a wreck is called a wreck because it is a wreck!
> In our country when we have two cars that wreck we
> haul them off to a junk yard and sell the scrap.
> Since we have a rich cultural heritage we do not feel
> it necessary to try to make some sort of cultural
> significance out of each car wreck we have.  The same
> thing would happen to ship wrecks if they were 1) not
> hidden from sight and 2) easier to salvage.  So get
> off the cultural heritage crap.  What I and most
> divers I know dive has no cultural significance.
>
> I really love it when UNESCO has a bunch of reps from
> a bunch of do nothing counties that can't even support
> themselves without American aid and funding, get
> together and try to decide how the world should be
> governed. I'll tell you what Aldo, when you have a
> country that betters the USA, THEN come back and talk
> to me about your "better way" and "one world
> government".
>
> Until then as I said before:
>
> YOU CAN KISS MY ROYAL IRISH AMERICAN ASS
>  (in Macy's Front Window)
>
> Dave Dalton
>
> --- "Aldo Solari [APS]" <aldo.solari@ho*.se*> wrote:
> > Mr.  Decker,  you  do  not  only  ignore what UNESCO
> > has done for
> > cultural  heritage  and the biosphere worldwide but
> > dont have the
> > slightest  idea  on fish population dynamics. You
> > are the typical
> > "blue  collar america" who insult, kick around and
> > shout due lack
> > of  arguments,  education  and respect for others.
> > While I cannot
> > culturize  you  through  an electronic forum, I urge
> > you to go to
> > some  evening courses at the university, read about
> > what you like
> > to discuss and watch up your mouth.
> >
> > Without  a  track  record  in  scientific research
> > or diving, you
> > hardly have a place to argue here.
> >
> > ----
> > aldo.solari@ho*.se* (fisheries biologist)
> > Home page, www.ccbb.ulpgc.es/fish-ecology/solaris
> > ----
> >
> > RDecker388@ao*.co*
> >
> > Rac> In a message dated 10/23/01 10:26:03 PM Eastern
> > Daylight Time,
> > Rac> aldo.solari@ho*.se* writes:
> >
> >
> > >> .   Wreckers  should  study  basics  in  law,
> > cultural
> > >> heritage,  social  anthropology  and  archeology.
> > Nobody will get
> > >> killed by going to some seminars, reading some
> > material and doing
> > >> some field work with specialized instructors.
> > >>
> >
> > Rac> Tell you what, Chief, I studied archeology, the
> > underwater variety to be
> > Rac> specific, while in college.  I even gave a bit
> > of thought to doing degree
> > Rac> work in anthropology.  I know several
> > professional archeologists well,
> > Rac> particularly those specializing in submerged
> > cultureal materials. Wanna hear
> > Rac> my "enlighted and educated" view of UNESCO?  It
> > stinks.  It will do nothing
> > Rac> to protect anything worth protecting, will
> > result in a "black market" of
> > Rac> wreck diving and fishing resulting in the
> > location of potentially culturally
> > Rac> significant sites going unreported and has the
> > potential to destroy the
> > Rac> recreational diving industry.
> >
> > Rac> You use passionate, insulting commentary such
> > as "terrorists," "wreck
> > Rac> grubbers" and "cutural resource killers," yet
> > likely have never been involved
> > Rac> in an underwater archeological project
> > yourself.  You come off as someone
> > Rac> lost in the hallowed halls of academia with
> > little or no understading of the
> > Rac> real world and how it works.
> >
> > Rac> The fact is, the majority of the wreck divers I
> > know are fairly conciencious
> > Rac> people.  They aren't about to strip artifacts
> > off of any sites that are
> > Rac> truely significant cultural resources.  The
> > vast majority of worthwhile sites
> > Rac> that have been identified have been found and
> > reported by sport divers, not
> > Rac> professional archeologists.  In contrast,
> > archeologist often are the worst
> > Rac> hackers/destroyers/treasure hunters that exist.
> >  Take a trip to Port Royal
> > Rac> Jamaica and see the rotting, rusting, crumbling
> > artifacts left to waste away
> > Rac> by archeologists due largely to a lack of
> > funding.  These items are of some
> > Rac> significance and obviously would be better
> > cared for if in the hands of a few
> > Rac> "wreck gutters," who would conserve and display
> > them, instead of in the hands
> > Rac> of professional archeologists!
> >
> > Rac> Here's a thought.  You want to protect all the
> > wrecks laying in your
> > Rac> country's sovereign waters, go for it.
> > However, if you want to muddle in the
> > Rac> territorial waters of other countries, thanks
> > but no thanks, we'll keep care
> > Rac> of our own.
> >
> > Rac> (I'm not even going to touch the nonsense you
> > put forward concerning fishing,
> > Rac> degradation of fish stocks, etc.  A six year
> > old with a kindergarten
> > Rac> education would recognize that for a crock of
> > bull).
> >
> >
>
>
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